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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Yea. We have been a human rights abuse nation for a very long time, and a state sponsored terrorist state for a long time as well.


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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So the best thing for terrorists to do is to base themselves amongst innocent civilians? Nah, they would never do that.
    The do exactly that but what do we gain in the long run killing innocent women and children to take them out? Seems to me we just create more terrorist.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Simple answer. YES! However he has stopped the TORTURE institutionalized by Bush the Lesser. Yes to Kennedy and Johnson. Kennedy for Bay of Pigs and LBJ for Vietnam and specifically the Gulf of Tonkin lies..
    Then Congress needs to be held just as responsible, no?
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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Then Congress needs to be held just as responsible, no?
    Yes and No. In the recent deal with Snowden, Wyden and Udall tried to get the NSA head Clapper and McCullough to testify regarding surveillance within the USA and both of these officials lied outright to these Congressmen. I, personally, think most Congressmen and women are scumbags and are chosen to run for office by those character traits. They are all sellouts to Corporate America and don't realize that, we the people, are the ones they are elected to represent. That is what is so reprehensible about Clapper and McCullough lying to Wyden and Udall. Who speaks for us? You and I and Grandma.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The do exactly that but what do we gain in the long run killing innocent women and children to take them out? Seems to me we just create more terrorist.
    So your solution is what? Let's just leave the terrorists alone? Yeah, that works.
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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So your solution is what? Let's just leave the terrorists alone? Yeah, that works.
    My solution would be drone them if they get in a suitable position but not if they set up headquarters in a school. For cases like that we should have been spending the last several years setting up in infrastructure of assassins which could carry out hits on individuals instead of this drone campaign which has done more harm than good.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My solution would be drone them if they get in a suitable position but not if they set up headquarters in a school. For cases like that we should have been spending the last several years setting up in infrastructure of assassins which could carry out hits on individuals instead of this drone campaign which has done more harm than good.
    An infrastructure of assassins? You need to stop reading Vince Flynn books. They are interesting entertainment but they aren't real.
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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    An infrastructure of assassins? You need to stop reading Vince Flynn books. They are interesting entertainment but they aren't real.
    You may want to rethink that. Here are just a few. Follow the link for many more examples.

    November 3, 2010 Gaza Strip Mohammed Nimnim al-Qaeda affiliated, Army of Islam commander[52] Car explosion, due to either a bomb planted by Israel or an Israeli airstrike.[53] IAF, with Egyptian intelligence
    November 17, 2010 Gaza Strip Islam Yassin al-Qaeda affiliated, Army of Islam commander[54] Israeli airstrike on his car, killing him, his brother, and injuring four others.[55] IAF
    November 29, 2010 Iran Majid Shahriari Iranian nuclear scientist Killed in a car bomb. According to the German newspaper Der Spiegel Israel was behind the killing.[56] Mossad (Alleged)
    November 29, 2010 Iran Attempted killing of Fereydoon Abbasi. Iranian nuclear scientist Wounded in a car bomb
    .[57][58] Mossad (Alleged)
    January 11, 2011 Gaza Strip Mohammed A-Najar Islamic Jihad operative, suspected of planning attacks against civilians and launching rockets at Israel[59] Attacked by the Israel Airforce while driving his motorcycle in the Gaza Strip.[59] IAF
    April 9, 2011 Gaza Strip Tayseer Abu Snima Senior Hamas commander Killed along with 2 of his bodyguards by the Israeli air force during a period of escalated rocket fire from Gaza. He was the most senior Hamas commander killed since 2009.[60] IAF
    July 23, 2011 Iran Darioush Rezaeinejad Iranian nuclear scientist Killed by unknown gunmen on motorcycle. The German Newspaper Der Spiegel claimed Mossad was behind the operation. He is the third Iranian nuclear scientist killed since 2010.[61] Mossad (Alleged)
    August 18, 2011 Gaza Strip Abu Oud al-Nirab and Khaled Shaath Popular Resistance Committees Commanders Killed hours after a terrorist attack killed 7 Israelis in southern Israel. 4 additional members of the group were killed in the strike.[62] IAF, Shin Bet
    January 11, 2012 Iran Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan Iranian nuclear scientist The bomb that killed Ahmadi-Roshan at the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, and another unidentified person was a magnetic one and the same as the ones previously used for the assassination of the scientists, and the "...work of the Zionists [Israelis]," deputy Tehran governor Safarali Baratloo said.[63]
    [64][65]
    Mossad (Alleged)
    March 9, 2012 Gaza Strip Zuhir al-Qaisi Secretary-General of the Popular Resistance Committees According to Israeli intelligence, he was planning an imminent attack.[66] IAF
    November 14, 2012 Gaza Strip Ahmed Jaabari Commander of Hamas' military wing Killed in an airstrike at the start of Operation Pillar of Cloud. Led Hamas' 2007 takeover of the Gaza Strip and, according to Israel, was responsible for most attacks on Israel originating in Gaza from about 2006 to 2012, including the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit.[67] IAF


    List of Israeli assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So your solution is what? Let's just leave the terrorists alone? Yeah, that works.

    No, but due diligence, without the huge payola to the entrenched Mil/Ind corporate complex. We are using massive, unproven overkill, and causing same to soil our reputation. The War cheerleading corporations promote and generate more and more implausible terrorist theories, each addressable with another billion dollars, and that is the crux of the problem. Leave them alone? No! Recognize reality.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    And, in the end, leave them alone because they choose to hide among civilians and therefore get a free ride?

    No, I don't think so. The 'civilians' they choose to hide among are, for the most part, sympathizers. You lay down with dogs, you may get the same flea spray as they get.
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