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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    We are a democratic Republic, not a dictatorship! He is only one branch of the government, and whether or not he likes it, that is the way it is! Congress is there to represent the will of the people, and they will not be ignored. Does BHO even understand what the word "compromise" means? This is getting ridiculous!
    I will be interesting to learn what he has planned. From what I have read, it's not going to matter what others think.

    I think this is what so many talk about when discussing the exclusive powers that have been granted government agencies who don't answer to the people. This seems to go along with the Progressive view of how a "professional" government is better suited to rule over the people.

    Assuming what has been written about the Presidents speech tomorrow is true, what recourse will people have if they disagree with the policy and approach?

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I'm honestly not sure if they're the ones being coerced in this situation, or if we are.

    We pay the Pakistani Government absolutely obscene amounts of money in order to make use of their ports and road ways so that we can keep our troops in Afghanistan supplied. If they wanted to, they could severely undermine the war effort by closing those routes, and by using the Taliban as a proxy force against us, as they did with the Mujahideen against the Soviets in the 1980s.

    They don't necessarily have to help us, after all. We lack the political will and strategic postioning necessary to act against them in any military sense at the present moment if they were to side against us.

    On the other hand, however; their highly corrupt and unstable government is basically only being kept afloat by US military and financial aid, and there are quite a few radical Islamic groups operating in Pakistan which would like to topple the existing regime just as badly as they would ever like to oust US forces from Afghanistan.

    As such, they don't really mind allowing us to use our drones to help take out the occassional high value target so long as it keeps that money flowing, and saves them from having to do the dirty work themselves. They simply prefer that we keep things discrete so that they can save face with the highly anti-American groups which make up a significant portion of their population.

    It's kind of a difficult situation either way you want to look at it. The US and Pakistan might not like each other per se, but they certainly seem to need one another's cooperation at the present moment.
    We pay Jordan and Egypt handsomely to play nice as well. Israel too. But we give Israel slightly better toys, they improve them, test them, showcase them, and we are allied with them (despite Obama's best efforts) so they're put in a different category.

    I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we were to hear in the not too distant future that Russia reciprocated the favor Charlie Wilson provided the Afghani's

    The entire financial support of Pakistan revolves around their nuclear capability. Don't let anyone kid you, Pakistan isn't an ally. They're opportunists. Some of the most hardcore Islamists are Paki. On both sides of the fence. I think we're both in agreement here.

    I guess my biggest issue is with the way he deals with China and Russia. They punk him every chance and he takes it right on the chin. Now, is it a case that he can't actually do anything or is it that he's afraid to, or is it that he doesn't want to? More often than not, when China or Russia bark, Obama rolls over and starts to whiz like a cur.

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    It seems to me when it comes to the targeting of individuals for drone strikes, when it comes to countries of less stature, of less means, Obama is very cavalier in his handling of the situation. He has no problem flexing US might and never misses a chance to peacock in front of the press on how tough he is.

    However, when faced with real opposition, say Russia, China, Iran..... He's a timid little dove.

    So, where I come from we have a name for people who lord their strength over the weak who prey on easy targets but tuck tail to the strong or possibly formidable adversaries. What do we call them?

    A Bully.

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The most open of open...but not so much that I lack conviction.

    I didn't want an answer because I asked a follow up question? Once you've responded, that it, eh? Beyond reproach and how dare someone second guess you? Got it...

    This....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Because "everybody's doing it" makes it OK? Any less cowardly?
    ...was not a follow-up question. It was snark and sarcasm that had little or nothing to do with what I had written. I gave it the response it deserved.

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This....



    ...was not a follow-up question. It was snark and sarcasm that had little or nothing to do with what I had written. I gave it the response it deserved.
    My dear, I can show you snark and sarcasm, what you feign offense at I assure you was neither.

    You has said

    No more than any former US presidents, all of whom have used their power to the advantage of the US, and considerably less than some presidents, one of whom has pre-emptively invaded a country on false pretenses and started two wars that have lasted over a decade and been responsible for the death and maiming of tens of thousands of service men and women, and hundreds of thousands of civilians.
    to which I followed up with

    Because "everybody's doing it" makes it OK? Any less cowardly?
    To which you replied

    Good to know you have an open mind.

    Guess you didn't really want an answer to your question after all.
    Now, looking at this exchange anyone with 2 eyes and 1 brain can see you were the one providing the snark and sarcasm, not I.

    Your response to my OP was "No more than any former US presidents,..."

    my reply was

    "Because "everybody's doing it" makes it OK? Any less cowardly?"

    You see, that is a direct set of questions to a direct comment. Where is the snark? The sarcasm? There is none, not yet, here it comes, ready?

    "Good to know you have an open mind. Guess you didn't really want an answer to your question after all"

    There it is, ya see it? Who wrote that, was it me, the Big Meanie? No, it was you, snark and sarcasm.

    But wait, there's more....


    After not answering my direct, relevant, follow up questions -- what did you do? After the snark and sarcasm? You P-R-O-J-E-C-T-E-D, that's right ladies and gentlemen, you projected onto me that which you were guilty of doing.

    Didn't answer my question, did ya? Noooooooo...

    Instead, instead of simply saying "No, it doesn't matter if they're all doing it, it is still wrong, I was just pointing out that Obama wasn't the Lone Ranger in all of this" What did you do? You tried to deflect your partisan behavior by trying to accuse me of something I clearly wasn't guilty of but which you -- With the evidence put out for God and Country to look upon, look upon and point their righteous finger of indignation -- most certainly are...

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    ...<bunch of irrelevant blather snipped>...
    Instead, instead of simply saying "No, it doesn't matter if they're all doing it, it is still wrong, I was just pointing out that Obama wasn't the Lone Ranger in all of this" What did you do? You tried to deflect your partisan behavior by trying to accuse me of something I clearly wasn't guilty of but which you -- With the evidence put out for God and Country to look upon, look upon and point their righteous finger of indignation -- most certainly are...
    Now you're still trying to put words in my mouth by telling me what I should have said, according to what you wanted me to say! Plus, you got the thrill of calling me a "partisan", when I am an Independent who hates democrats and republicans equally, and the last person I wanted to see in the WH in 2008 was an unqualified empty suit with zero actual governing experience.

    Alrighty, then. Lesson learned. You and I will not be having further, ah... discussions. Bye-bye!

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Bye-bye!

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    It seems to me when it comes to the targeting of individuals for drone strikes, when it comes to countries of less stature, of less means, Obama is very cavalier in his handling of the situation. He has no problem flexing US might and never misses a chance to peacock in front of the press on how tough he is.

    However, when faced with real opposition, say Russia, China, Iran..... He's a timid little dove.

    So, where I come from we have a name for people who lord their strength over the weak who prey on easy targets but tuck tail to the strong or possibly formidable adversaries. What do we call them?

    A Bully.

    What say you?
    Obama is a wimp that acquired power, a very dangerous combination.

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    He is a horrible POTUS, as was GWB before him.

    He clearly has little regard for human life (double tap drone strikes). Or for basic human rights (Gitmo). Or for the Constitution (blanket spying of Americans, executing Americans without trial).

    Not sure if he is a bully.

    But he is definitely a dickhead and an incompetent POTUS.

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    Re: Is Obama A Bully?

    I voted "maybe so" with a "But..." That means he is neither more nor less a "bully" than any of his predecessors in the Office of President.

    So what’s your point?

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