View Poll Results: Patriot, Traitor, or something else?

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Thread: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Exactly if Snowden is imprisoned we all lose liberty.
    How? It is not liberty to divulge the secrets of your nation that you have been entrusted with.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Gays want equality under the law. The right wing wants them second class.

    The right passed the patriot act.
    Sorry to disabuse you of your "facts" - congress adopted the Patriot Act and Bush signed it - congress then renewed it, with amendments, and Obama signed it. The act as it currently stands was adopted by a Democrat congress and signed by a Democrat President.

    I would never argue that the left isn't capable of abusing any good government idea when they get the chance.

    As for gay marriage - President Clinton signed DOMA and it was President Clinton who instituted Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

    Democrats don't have a stellar record when it comes to advancing gay rights - but I will acknowledge that religious conservatives strongly oppose what is basically a religious rite being co-opted by government but even then, most have no objection to the equality part, they just don't want "traditional marriage" trashed in the process.

    I won't respond again related to these issues since they're not related to the thread - I simply did so because you attached the issues to my comments and I had to respond.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    For those who haven't noticed, we currently have a "liberal" President. So, trying to pin this on the RW makes no sense at all.

    I consider myself unaffiliated although I generally support socially liberal positions such as SSM and I accept abortion even though I think it is morally dubious. But in many ways Obama is as bad as or worse than Bush when it comes to "national security" and government powers. I voted for this guy in 2008 but not in 2012. He's shown his colors (so to speak)

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    For those who haven't noticed, we currently have a "liberal" President. So, trying to pin this on the RW makes no sense at all.

    I consider myself unaffiliated although I generally support socially liberal positions such as SSM and I accept abortion even though I think it is morally dubious. But in many ways Obama is as bad as or worse than Bush when it comes to "national security" and government powers. I voted for this guy in 2008 but not in 2012. He's shown his colors (so to speak)
    Yes Obama is just Bush 2

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Your first paragraph I do agree with up to a point.

    Your second paragraph is nonsense. The Patriot Act was embraced and tongue-kissed by Obama and his party just as Bush did with his. This is bi-partisan oppression.


    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Gays want equality under the law. The right wing wants them second class.

    The right passed the patriot act.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    What information did he thieve?
    Ask the Russians and Chinese.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Gays want equality under the law. The right wing wants them second class.

    The right passed the patriot act.
    Gotta get a gay rights dig in somewhere.
    The two have nothing to do with each other.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon Lady P - oppressively humid here in the northeast and it's not planning on easing until late this week - hope it's nicer for you down in Texas.
    As near as I can ascertain, Houston is really just a very large steamroom that just happens to have a name due to the size of its population! The only time people are not uncomfortable is if they're outdoors between the hours of 0100 and 0500! There's a breeze then, I'm told..... :

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Gotta get a gay rights dig in somewhere.
    The two have nothing to do with each other.
    All civil rights are related.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Ask the Russians and Chinese.
    They won't return my calls.
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    Being a psychiatric patient does not mean that you are mentally ill.



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