View Poll Results: Patriot, Traitor, or something else?

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Thread: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    If we can stop another columbine by confiscation of guns it is woth it.

    We have too much freedom here.
    You go much further than I would. I'm happy to be able to go to a restaurant or movie without the danger of getting blown to bits. If that means the NSA listens to phone calls, I can live with that.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You know that's bull****. You honestly think that he had only two alternatives open to him - Russia or Gitmo? How about France, that never extradites anybody? Or any number of other countries who don't give a crap about the U.S.? There was only one reason for him to go to Russia.

    Personally, I'd torture his worthless ass if I had the opportunity, but I'm not the U.S. Government.
    You should work for the secret police. We will be abducting people like Stalin did soon.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You go much further than I would. I'm happy to be able to go to a restaurant or movie without the danger of getting blown to bits. If that means the NSA listens to phone calls, I can live with that.
    Safery is far better than liberty.

    We dont need privacy or guns.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Safery is far better than liberty.

    We dont need privacy or guns.
    That is a very bizzare, and lame, attitude, IMHO.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    This was written by Franklin, within quotation marks but is generally accepted as his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818).

    A variant of this was published as:
    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
    This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is a very bizzare, and lame, attitude, IMHO.



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    I agree, but it appears many on the right value following authority over liberty. If Snowden is imprisoned we will be like Stalin Russia in one decade.

    We are on the precipice.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stewart View Post
    As the question asks, is Snowden a traitor, patriot, or something else in your eyes? Why or why not?

    Snowden told us the truth about something the gov't had continuously lied to us about. It is not certain that what the gov't is doing is legal. When you catch the gov't in a lie, they always attack the messenger. I consider him a patriot of the highest degree. I feel great sympathy for his plight and wish him good luck. The gov't has been lying to you and I and Grandma. I don't think that is OK under these circumstances. I think the Terrorism threat is highly overrated to profit the Intelligence Agencies.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I agree, but it appears many on the right value following authority over liberty. If Snowden is imprisoned we will be like Stalin Russia in one decade.

    We are on the precipice.
    So you feel that each person may now freely pick and choose what classified material may be released?
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So you feel that each person may now freely pick and choose what classified material may be released?
    I feel that if you complain about tyranny in government why would you want to imprison somone for whistle blowing tyranny.

    We dont really want liberty here. We have two sides arguing over the nature of the tyranny.

    Some want government some want religious.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    If we can stop another columbine by confiscation of guns it is woth it.

    We have too much freedom here.
    No, and no we dont.
    Columbine or anyother criminal shooting does not trump my 2A rights.
    And we are losing freedoms every day.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, and no we dont.
    Columbine or anyother criminal shooting does not trump my 2A rights.
    And we are losing freedoms every day.
    Exactly if Snowden is imprisoned we all lose liberty.

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