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Thread: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

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    Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Why have soldiers pledge an oath to uphold the constitution if they aren't really supposed to?
    What do you mean?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    What do you mean?
    Soldiers take an oath to uphold and defend the constitution.

    If a soldier sees our government violates the constitution they should shine light on it. Unless they are not really supposed to take the oath seriously.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    He's just some jerk who shouldn't have had the security clearance that he had. I blame this on the sloppy Obama Administration.
    Yes, because God knows we've never had intelligence failures or spies during Republican Administrations.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Soldiers take an oath to uphold and defend the constitution.

    If a soldier sees our government violates the constitution they should shine light on it. Unless they are not really supposed to take the oath seriously.
    How do you defend the constitution by giving away top secret information to the world and then running to Russia to make sure they got it all?
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    He's not the Messiah...he's a very naughty boy.



    Actually, I think he is a hero...though a naughty one.

    But those are often the best kind.

    MLK, Gandhi, Mandela...they all broke the law for the greater good.

    I believe Snowden did as well.
    The Russian intelligence service feels exactly the same way! As far as they're concerned, it's all good!
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    How do you defend the constitution by giving away top secret information to the world and then running to Russia to make sure they got it all?
    You protect the constitution by letting we the people who are the real authority know what those with position are doing with our power and money.

    He went to Russia because we have secret prisons to torture people.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, because God knows we've never had intelligence failures or spies during Republican Administrations.
    And that somehow makes this OK? Honestly, where do you libs get your sense of logic?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    It's implied; why else the reference to them? He did not break the law for the greater good- he broke to law to satisfy his own desires. What's the greater good Snowden was thinking of???
    Russia's, I suspect. That's why he's there.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When you choose to break the law, you are a criminal.
    Are you talking about the POTUS, the congress, or the SCOTUS?

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    Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Soldiers take an oath to uphold and defend the constitution.

    If a soldier sees our government violates the constitution they should shine light on it. Unless they are not really supposed to take the oath seriously.
    There is protocol for this; Snowden just failed to follow it. This is why he isn't a whistleblower. He could have gone to the Inspector General, Congress etc- however he chose not to, he instead took it upon himself to override the checks and balances of government and expose things that were obviously not meant for public consumption.

    There is a reason something is Top Secret! What part of the constitution is he defending?? None. You have no right to privacy- that's myth. Groupon, Google and Facebook know more about the average American than the NSA- please.

    It's ok if someone "violates your privacy" as long as you get a 10% discount on some random crap you buy, but if you get security people are up in arms?! WTF- seriously?!

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