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Thread: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Where was the concern for equal or worse during the previous 43 administrations? Why are you against going after tax cheats? Romney would have let it go with his history.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    When a government agency carries out a highly contentious act that is arguably unconstitutional...and all in complete secrecy...what mechanisms are in place for citizens to challenge that act?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In order to know such information it is necessary they invade the privacy of all people. Why do you ask the people to give up their privacy in exchange for a possible danger?
    Maybe because I live in the 21st century where terrorists with a nuclear weapon can destroy a city. I'm willing to give up some personal freedom regarding who I talk to on the telephone so that it doesn't happen. This ain't the old days, folks. The bad guys are really bad and they can do serious damage. I don't give a rip whether the government listens to my telephone calls or not. I do care whether I get vaporized by a bunch of terrorists.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government trying to kill him for helping the people.
    Do you have a link for that? So far, it seems as though the people he's most interested in helping is the Russian intelligence services and their allies. Of course, I understand how that doesn't bother some folks. Yeah, he's as big a patriot as Benedict Arnold.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Every ideological person period should fervently consider the *fact* that IF what Snowden did is nationally illegitimate then the very founding basis of the US, which was founded on anti imperialism, is null and void.



    People, especially conservative people, seem to forget that the US was founded as a radical revolutionary country. This kind of Snowden stuff is pure Americana values is the truth. The imperialistic, global governance, ironically 'Liberal' position is to condemn Snowden. So the hilarity, we have proclaimed patriots attacking a fellow informational revolutionary of the people in the most revolutionary nation on the planet.. How ironic.. I'm sure the British King wasn't fond of Washington either..


    Again as this thread amply demonstrates, anyone who thinks conservatives are the standard bearers of much anything in terms of moral legitimacy needs to rethink. America was founded on extreme anti imperialist revolution by figures far more radical than Snowden.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When you choose to break the law, you are a criminal.
    People like Gandhi, MLK and Mandela have broken the law.

    Unjust laws should ALWAYS be broken.


    '... there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.'

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    Anyone who blindly follows all the laws of the state is little more then a sheep.


    My definition of 'hero' is someone who puts themselves in harm's way for the good of others.

    Snowden (from what I know) DEFINITELY did that.

    So he is a hero to me.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    He did the right thing. The real problem is the government spying on our every day conversations and that fact being classified, not that he revealed government treachery.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Maybe because I live in the 21st century where terrorists with a nuclear weapon can destroy a city. I'm willing to give up some personal freedom regarding who I talk to on the telephone so that it doesn't happen. This ain't the old days, folks. The bad guys are really bad and they can do serious damage. I don't give a rip whether the government listens to my telephone calls or not. I do care whether I get vaporized by a bunch of terrorists.
    Can they watch you through the cameras in your home too?

    How about if while looking for terrorists they find drugs. Can they arrest you? If while watching you through the tv they see you made more money than yiu claimed will they audit you?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Hardly an illusion of security. I want the government to know about the next bombers before they strike. The age of innocence has long since passed.
    If Obama had not stopped the FBI from investigating mosques the Boston Bombing would probably not have happened. So human intelligence is more import to the issue.

    Also I do not trust this administration would not use the info for political purposes and for any future administration for that matter now. The time has come to re-evaluate the issue and I for one believe that engaging a broad sweep is not an appropriate tool in protecting the citizenry. What is appropriate is having targeted taps on persons of interest and who they contact.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    I choose other.

    I do not think what Snowden did is Treason. I believe that he considered holding to his oath of the Constitution of the United States to be the greater than any oath not to divulge secrets. If what Snowden did was treason than certainly the present President and the past 3 Presidents were most certainly traitors. And not many people would say this.

    I do not think what Snowden did is Patriotic. While what Snowden did was a selfless act in divulging what he believed to be a blatant violation of the US Constitution his subsequent acts going to countries who have an adversarial relationship to the US mutes that. I do not blame him given the attitudes of the present administration on people who embarrass them, but still going to one countries adversaries for protection undermines positioning him as a Patriot.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Can they watch you through the cameras in your home too?

    How about if while looking for terrorists they find drugs. Can they arrest you? If while watching you through the tv they see you made more money than yiu claimed will they audit you?
    Did you know that they can actually listen through your cell phone when you aren't using it? I imagine they could do they same with the camera on your phone and computer.
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