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Thread: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd report it to my superiors. If nothing seemed to happen based on that, I'd report it to the Inspector General's office. If still it seemed nothing happened with it, I'd leak it to the population anonymously so as to make sure the attrocities being commited where the story, not myself, since I wouldn't be doing it with the hope of being famous or going down as some kind of prolific "leaker".
    What makes you think you would even have access to it (or have a job for that matter) after complaining about it to your superiors? Your superiors more than likely already know about it.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Snowden is a traitor. Three weeks before the USS Abraham Lincoln deployed in August 2000, my office - the Security office - got a phone call from someone with a foreign-sounding voice who said that when we pulled into port overseas, they would blow up a ship next to ours. We pulled in to Dubai in early October - we were nervous and kept an eye on everything, but nothing happened. Four days after we departed Dubai, the USS Cole was bombed by a boat that pulled up next to it. In other words, that person knew something...and if we'd had PRISM then, not only would we have found the individual on short order, but we'd have found all those he had contact with...and one of those who helped plan the bombing of the Cole turned out to be one of the 9/11 hijackers. PRISM could have prevented 9/11, if we'd had it then, and by extension could have prevented the decade of right-wing neo-con insanity (and 5000 American military deaths and 100K+ Iraqi deaths) that followed.

    Likewise, Bradley Manning is a traitor. He's not on trail because of the video of us killing a reporter - he's on trail because he released 250,000 diplomatic cables, each and every one of which had the potential of either exposing agents and/or contacts, or exposing how we react to certain situations, and what assets we may or may not have.
    The USS Cole warning call created a reasonable suspicion for tracking down the caller.

    Re 9/11; If someone in the USA calls a known foreign terrorist suspect, that would be reasonable suspicion for surveillance of that specific person.

    The exposed NSA program is illegal because it is monitoring everyone's phone records without any specific reasonable suspicion about certain individuals.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    he has released classified information without regard to consequence
    Actually, he did regard the consequences, which is why he is no longer in this country. He also decided to not reveal a lot of information because he was worried about it putting certain lives/careers in jeopardy.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    George Washington was a criminal too.
    And such a wonderful criminal he was.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    The man does the people a favor and yet the people call him a traitor? Shame on you.

    A patriot stands for and fights for the liberty of the people and like it has always been sometimes a patriot must break the law in order to do it. I hardly see a reason to stand by the government when they care little for our privacy. If they will not respect our rights then to perfectly frank they are a danger to the people.

    If they desire to protect me it would be better suited that they act like a friend and not like an enemy.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    They won't return my calls.
    I wish I could call Russia but Putin stole my phone on my last visit.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    I voted other because I don't think we have seen all the evidence or information involved with this man and what he allegedly did.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The USS Cole warning call created a reasonable suspicion for tracking down the caller.

    Re 9/11; If someone in the USA calls a known foreign terrorist suspect, that would be reasonable suspicion for surveillance of that specific person.

    The exposed NSA program is illegal because it is monitoring everyone's phone records without any specific reasonable suspicion about certain individuals.
    You should read up on PRISM sometime - because with PRISM, instead of having to wade through the phone companies' records and hope you find something, you have a database of phone calls that you cross-check with other numbers of known or suspected terrorists...and the picture becomes clearer much more quickly. What most people don't understand is that PRISM isn't a system of listening to what everyone says or reading what everyone writes. It's a DATABASE of phone numbers and IP addresses and e-mail addresses that makes the search for connections much easier. The government doesn't have a fraction of the number of people needed to listen to or read everyone's crap - it'd be like physically searching for the proverbial needle inside a haystack of haystacks of haystacks. All they really need are the numbers and addresses, as any database wonk should understand instinctively.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How? It is not liberty to divulge the secrets of your nation that you have been entrusted with.
    It is liberty at stake when government has secret police and prisons. When they watch us like in a Orwell novel.

    This is how the government acted in the novel 1984.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So disband all governments. Because on some level every law infringes on someones liberty.
    No just stand uo for liberty.

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