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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd report it to my superiors. If nothing seemed to happen based on that, I'd report it to the Inspector General's office. If still it seemed nothing happened with it, I'd leak it to the population anonymously so as to make sure the attrocities being commited where the story, not myself, since I wouldn't be doing it with the hope of being famous or going down as some kind of prolific "leaker".
    You forgot the step of going to your congressmen, which is protected and would also keep you safe from reprisals.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I can see some of your point but there are avenues to "blow the whistle" to your congress critter or perhaps those on the House/Senate intellegence committees. There is ample light being shined on this (and similar) programs within congress now. The unilateral decision to leak classified data directly to the public (and world in general) is not a logical "first step".
    It is absolutely the first and correct step when Senate Investigating Committees led by my only representation, an elected official, is blatantly lied to by the leaders of the Intelligence Agencies in Question. That would be Clapper and McCullough lying to Wyden and Udall. The ample light you are talking about does not exist and we wouldn't know anything if it hadn't been for Snowden. Thank you Snowden. Prosecute Clapper and McCullough. When you lie to my Congressional leaders, you lie to the American Public, and should be prosecuted for perjury. This isn't complicated enough to even have to discuss, is it?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Gays want equality under the law. The right wing wants them second class.

    The right passed the patriot act.
    Ever hear the phrase about painting with too broad a brush?
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd report it to my superiors. If nothing seemed to happen based on that, I'd report it to the Inspector General's office. If still it seemed nothing happened with it, I'd leak it to the population anonymously so as to make sure the attrocities being commited where the story, not myself, since I wouldn't be doing it with the hope of being famous or going down as some kind of prolific "leaker".
    - His superiors knew about it. Did you think his peers were in charge of the program? If he brought it up, he likely would've been told to stfu. When has whining about something ever made the military / government change their minds? "Oh, I see, Snowden, this IS wrong, thank you. We'll stop immediately."

    - The IG doesn't have the clearance for something like that, and seeing as how it was in a legal grey area, they likely wouldn't have done anything.

    - I'm not aware of how they found out it was him, but I'm willing to bet he tried to not get caught. His life is a living hell. That's the kind of fame you don't want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You forgot the step of going to your congressmen, which is protected and would also keep you safe from reprisals.
    Exposing classified information to a senator without the clearance for that information, is still the exact same crime, and there's little a single senator could do when the wolves come a knocking. That's simply not an option on something like that.
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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    All civil rights are related.
    So disband all governments. Because on some level every law infringes on someones liberty.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ever hear the phrase about painting with too broad a brush?
    I have, but in this case it is true the right wing are against liberty and equality for homosexuals.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd report it to my superiors. If nothing seemed to happen based on that, I'd report it to the Inspector General's office. If still it seemed nothing happened with it, I'd leak it to the population anonymously so as to make sure the attrocities being commited where the story, not myself, since I wouldn't be doing it with the hope of being famous or going down as some kind of prolific "leaker".

    Wrong! Same reply as to twt. You can't ignore these liars, Congress and attempts to investigate.
    "It is absolutely the first and correct step when Senate Investigating Committees led by my only representation, an elected official, is blatantly lied to by the leaders of the Intelligence Agencies in Question. That would be Clapper and McCullough lying to Wyden and Udall. The ample light you are talking about does not exist and we wouldn't know anything if it hadn't been for Snowden. Thank you Snowden. Prosecute Clapper and McCullough. When you lie to my Congressional leaders, you lie to the American Public, and should be prosecuted for perjury. This isn't complicated enough to even have to discuss, is it? "

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    This is in the wrong thread. Plus, I doubt they are against "liberty". They are against mariage. I don't agree (I favor SSM) but you imply they want to lock up homosexuals and thats quite a stretch. Certainly has nothing to do with our topic.






    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I have, but in this case it is true the right wing are against liberty and equality for homosexuals.

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd report it to my superiors. If nothing seemed to happen based on that, I'd report it to the Inspector General's office. If still it seemed nothing happened with it, I'd leak it to the population anonymously so as to make sure the attrocities being commited where the story, not myself, since I wouldn't be doing it with the hope of being famous or going down as some kind of prolific "leaker".
    I feel like that would be brushed off as a conspiracy theory. Who believes an anonymous source?

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    Re: Is Edward Snowden a traitor or a patriot?

    Patriot.

    “The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.”
    Patrick Henry
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