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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A plural marriage is not one marriage with more than two participants. In fact, “a plural marriage” really isn't even grammatically correct. It's plural marriages. More than one marriage.

    My great-great grandfather did not have one marriage which included him and his four or five wives. He had four or five marriages, which each joined him to a separate wife. Each of this marriages was between one man, and one woman; it was the same man in each marriage, but a different woman.
    LOL, you can keep doing mental gymnastics all you want. Either way you want to call it, the bible condones it and you don't. Why do you think you know more than god?
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    LOL, you can keep doing mental gymnastics all you want. Either way you want to call it, the bible condones it and you don't. Why do you think you know more than god?
    Exactly where in the Bible does it condone plural marriages?
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post


    Exactly where in the Bible does it condone plural marriages?
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    LOL, you can keep doing mental gymnastics all you want. Either way you want to call it, the bible condones it and you don't. Why do you think you know more than god?
    Why are you so sure that I don't condone plural marriage?

    As it happens, I believe that my religion is led by a true prophet of God, who receives instructions therefrom. At some point, early in its history, God commanded through his prophet that some members of my religion should practice polygamy. Later, he commanded that this practice should be discontinued. There's always a possibility that God, through his prophet, may again command that the practice be restored. Whatever God may command on the subject, I see no basis for you to suggest that I have claimed to know better than God. For the time being, I do not condone plural marriage, because the most recent instruction that we have from God on the subject is that we should not practice it. If God should choose to command otherwise, then I will condone it.


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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This is kinda where the argument gets muddy. Especially when it starts with "a married person should be able to marry other people, too", because it's adding a person into a marriage without the consent of the other person already in the marriage. If two men are married, and then they both marry two women, who are both already married... did both spouses of the two women have full knowledge of all the links in this chain? Did they give consent to each person in the chain to join it? Are they all spouses to each other? What rights do each end of the chain have towards the other end in terms of property, inheritance, or children?

    In principal, I see no reason to restrict marriage to pairs. In practice, it strikes me as incredibly muddy and complex. Joining marriages together seems like a terrible way to do it, but allowing a person to only be in one marriage at once, but not limiting that marriage to two people, strikes me as more reasonable.

    Either way, it's an entirely different argument than gay marriage, and the attempts by the anti-SSM crowd to link them got old a long time ago.
    I'm a bit of a Heinleiner, and he covers the subject of plural marriages at great length.

    He was obviously in favor, and his reasoning centers around the raising of children.

    In a nutshell, the benefit is distribution of child rearing duties, as well as interpersonal ones. If a child has six parents instead of two, they are literally three times as likely to get the attention they need at any given time. Same with spouses within the marriage.

    Its all contractual, and the complexities of this are examined as well.

    Sounds great to me.

    The rub is that at this point in time, its not really practical.

    I've spent a lot of time on the hippy fringe, and "free love" rarely turns out that way.

    But I've seen groups many times FUNCTIONING as an extended family, without the sex. Spreading the burdens around really works, and was the model we used prior to adopting a sedentary lifestyle.

    For reference, I've also seen polyamory work. But it takes exeptionally self aware individuals.

    "One man one woman" was adopted because the rich and powerful men hogging up all the women, which has been common practise at some point in every culture, didn't end well. Hopeless, horny males get very angry.

    I think as we mature as a species, and begin to live longer, plural marriage will become a viable lifestyle choice. But we habe to work out jealousy, possessiveness, ego, etc., first.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post


    Exactly where in the Bible does it condone plural marriages?
    I'm not going to go hunting down specific references right now, but it is clear throughout the Old Testament that plural marriage is, at the very least, permitted. I can only recall, off the top of my head, two instances that I would say go as far as to “condone” the practice.

    One is the practice of “levirate marriage”, wherein the brother of a man who died without producing a son is obligated to take the widow as his own wife (even if he is already married) and to designate the firstborn son of that union as the heir to his deceased brother. If the surviving brother already has a wife, then to take his brother's widow as well would be to practice plural marriage.

    The other instance involves King David; after his transgression with Bathsheba. God, tells David, through the prophet Nathan, that God had given David all the wives he legitimately had, and would have given him more if more were needed. For God tell tell David that he had given him all his wives is certainly to tacitly condone David having all those wives. David's great sin, of course, was to lust after and take another man's wife, and then to murder that other man in order to cover up his crime.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Why should it matter to me what consenting adults choose to do, or who they choose to marry? It's none of my business.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I'm a bit of a Heinleiner, and he covers the subject of plural marriages at great length.

    He was obviously in favor, and his reasoning centers around the raising of children.

    In a nutshell, the benefit is distribution of child rearing duties, as well as interpersonal ones. If a child has six parents instead of two, they are literally three times as likely to get the attention they need at any given time.
    That would only make sense if we assume that the six “parents” are producing children at a rate that would otherwise only take two genuine parents to achieve; and this seems like a wildly unrealistic assumption.

    More realistic is that the six “parents” in this one “family” would collectively produce a similar number of children similar to that which would be produced by three normal families with two parents each. Each child may have three times as many “parents”, but would also be competing with three times as many “siblings” for the attention of these “parents”.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    As a lawyer, legally speaking, it's going to happen so you might want to mentally start to accept it.


    -Once you begin to legalize gay marriage you cannot legally legitimately say for long "Oh, yes, man and man can marry, but woman, woman and man cannot marry".

    -Why not?

    -Because legally speaking it is a fallible argument which means it's doomed long term in the US court system.

    -Consider

    -Two women make $85,000 a year each, man makes $50,000 a year. Those three walk into court room with top lawyer, argue that we can biologically make our own children, the man earns less, this is natural, we're all in love, our human rights are being violated, It's over. They're going to eventually win when they argue, rightfully so, that those two men that you just let marry can't even make children together, yet you won't marry us three who can? Again, It's over right then and there legally speaking. Perhaps that won't be the case that decides it, but eventually, many multiplied cases will usher that.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Why not?
    let me throw something at you and see what you think.

    suppose a person could marry 10 people, and say that person had a good job, with health benefits, and in the marriage there are 22 children, this makes 33 people that the insurance company that the person works for woulds have to provide for.

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