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    What about the polygamists!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I can't help it if you can't understand her position or mine. Neither are really that complicated.
    I understand your position. You're right. It is simple.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I understand your position. You're right. They're very simple.
    This is a clear sign of someone who is on the losing side of an argument. That's okay. Keep on insulting. It just makes you look weak.

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    What about the polygamists!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is a clear sign of someone who is on the losing side of an argument. That's okay. Keep on insulting. It just makes you look weak.
    If you want rebuttal go back and retread all the ones you ignored.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is a clear sign of someone who is on the losing side of an argument. That's okay. Keep on insulting. It just makes you look weak.
    Given the courts now decide who loses and who wins, I'm not sure there is a societal "side" any longer...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Given the courts now decide who loses and who wins, I'm not sure there is a societal "side" any longer...
    That's true, but if the question was if the state is discriminating against certain groups of people by denying them marriage certificates, that would probably be the court's domain. It really doesn't seem like a voters issue.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's true, but if the question was if the state is discriminating against certain groups of people by denying them marriage certificates, that would probably be the court's domain. It really doesn't seem like a voters issue.
    Are those desiring a polygamous lifestyle not being discriminated against given your viewpoint?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Are those desiring a polygamous lifestyle not being discriminated against given your viewpoint?
    I think any consenting adults or adults should be able to be legally married. I can't think of one good reason why they wouldn't be allowed to. Some people keep complaining about the integrity of marriage and how divorce rates are so high, but that has only to do with heterosexual couples because any other kind of marriage is quite rare right now.

    I really have never heard about polygamists protesting about being unable to marry though, at least not widespread or newsworthy.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Are those desiring a polygamous lifestyle not being discriminated against given your viewpoint?
    They have the right to challenge the laws and see what the state comes up with for a legitimate state interest being furthered in the restriction on how many legal spouses they can have. In all likelihood though the state can show at least a legitimate state interest is furthered in some way by restrictions on how many spouses any person in the US can have. It doesn't take much. The problem with restrictions on marriage based on sex/gender is that there are no legitimate state interests being furthered. It is still just two people, so there is no conflict within the laws based on that (whereas, with a person having more than one spouse, there is a conflict). No one is harmed (which can be shown to happen in some cases of polygamy, but can't really be shown in all so not really a good argument pertaining to multiple spouse restrictions). And marriage laws are gender-neutral (which still wouldn't pertain to multiple spouses, but marriage laws are not number of spouses neutral in their operation).
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They have the right to challenge the laws and see what the state comes up with for a legitimate state interest being furthered in the restriction on how many legal spouses they can have. In all likelihood though the state can show at least a legitimate state interest is furthered in some way by restrictions on how many spouses any person in the US can have. It doesn't take much. The problem with restrictions on marriage based on sex/gender is that there are no legitimate state interests being furthered. It is still just two people, so there is no conflict within the laws based on that (whereas, with a person having more than one spouse, there is a conflict). No one is harmed (which can be shown to happen in some cases of polygamy, but can't really be shown in all so not really a good argument pertaining to multiple spouse restrictions). And marriage laws are gender-neutral (which still wouldn't pertain to multiple spouses, but marriage laws are not number of spouses neutral in their operation).
    As long as marriage licenses are still required, I don't see polygamy being any more of a problem when it comes to age of consent than any other marriage.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think any consenting adults or adults should be able to be legally married. I can't think of one good reason why they wouldn't be allowed to. Some people keep complaining about the integrity of marriage and how divorce rates are so high, but that has only to do with heterosexual couples because any other kind of marriage is quite rare right now.

    I really have never heard about polygamists protesting about being unable to marry though, at least not widespread or newsworthy.
    Marriage, in this country, is a State construct that was set up to encourage certain behaviors. That is now, and has been, bastardized by the courts in the name of supposed "rights". I'm sorry, the courts should not be dictating those behaviors under a citizen established government, or do we now acquiesce our control of government to the courts? CA did it the right way. The question was put before the people, and they decided. Did it matter? No, as the court decided it knew better.
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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