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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You have already been shown to be incorrect on this. Marriage is not a set thing based on the genders of those involved. Just because this is what you are used to, doesn't make it true. It is already defined as between two people, regardless of their sexes. It is only your personal definition that is at odds with this. Legally though a personal definition has no place. Legally marriage is defined in how it functions, not who is allowed to enter into the relationship.

    This is why those state definitions, when challenged, are not holding up in court.
    It is a creation of the state, so it is whatever the state defines it to be. Argue that indisputable fact to your hearts content, but it's an exercise in futility. Sanctioned marriage is a set of laws and it is, therefore, whatever those laws say it is and no matter how much you want it to be something different, it's silly to argue that it's anything different from what it actually is in black-letter law.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    I believe that the government should out of marriage ENTIRELY.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It is a creation of the state, so it is whatever the state defines it to be. Argue that indisputable fact to your hearts content, but it's an exercise in futility. Sanctioned marriage is a set of laws and it is, therefore, whatever those laws say it is and no matter how much you want it to be something different, it's silly to argue that it's anything different from what it actually is in black-letter law.
    No. The responsibilities, rights, and benefits are creations of the state, not marriage itself. Marriage itself was created by and has been changed many times by society.

    And since "sanctioned" marriage is a set of laws, it is those laws, not the restrictions on who is covered by those laws, that determine how it is defined.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I believe that the government should out of marriage ENTIRELY.
    Which would cause major problems within our courts, particularly civil courts. Unless the government got out of recognizing all family relations at all. Which would mean no more legal adoptions, no more birth certificates, at least not with identifying information on it, and no more family recognition whatsoever.

    The argument "the government should get out of marriage" is not a well thought through argument. The government recognizes legal family. And that should include spouses. I understand that libertarians believe the government should be involved in very little, but the government has a valid place in recognizing who is legal family in order to settle disputes that would be horrendous without some government intervention.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Because I said so... lol (sorry)... If people want it then they should have it, if people don't want it, then they shouldn't have it.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Should Plural Marriage be legalized too?
    If gays can marry why not?
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If gays can marry why not?
    You tell me.
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    What about the polygamists!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. The responsibilities, rights, and benefits are creations of the state, not marriage itself. Marriage itself was created by and has been changed many times by society.

    And since "sanctioned" marriage is a set of laws, it is those laws, not the restrictions on who is covered by those laws, that determine how it is defined.
    Society is the state. We, the people. The state defines marriage. Deny it a thousand times and it won't be any less true for the denials.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Society is the state. We, the people. The state defines marriage. Deny it a thousand times and it won't be any less true for the denials.
    The state's definition of marriage is in how it functions, not in who is allowed to enter into marriage.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    What about the polygamists!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The state's definition of marriage is in how it functions, not in who is allowed to enter into marriage.
    It functions as a union between a man and a woman.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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