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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because other people were saying that polygamy invites child molestation. I said they are thinking of the cases of extremist Mormons. Got a problem with that?
    Polygamy doesn't invite deviant behavior. It stands alone as deviant...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Polygamy doesn't invite deviant behavior. It stands alone as deviant...
    I'm sure that people who want to marry or love more than one person feel differently than you. It's only deviant to you because of your ultra-religious standards.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Didn't Christian men also practice polygamy back in ancient times? I think most men did back then. Marriage was not about love and one man and one woman back then. It was more about convenience and protection, and of course

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Here in SD we see it in Native American communities, too. Their tribes have always practiced polygamy. It's died down a lot since we blue-eyed devils "stole their land", but I'll look for stats later this evening.

    The thing is, you're assuming those in polygamist marriages are 1. consenting, and 2. adults. They frequently are neither, and before you say "then that's illegal" understand that the Lakota and Suix Nations are actual sovereign nations within the US with their own set of laws, courts and law-enforcement structure. State LEOs can only enter tribal land under very limited conditions and routine enforcement of civil law isn't it. Short of a Federal warrant, a State LEO has to be actively cashing a murderer or similar, and even then still has to stop the pursuit when ordered by the tribal police. Sanctioning polygamy typically results in families selling young daughters in pre-arranged marriages.

    Opposition to polygamy has nothing to do with consenting adults.
    That is absolutely untrue, or at least in my neck of the woods. A few years back, there was an incident in Rhode Island (a neighboring state to me), where a tribal smoke shop was raided and shut down by the RI State Police Department. They arrested several people, and now the tribe is no longer allowed to sell cigarettes without collecting taxes for the state. I am QUITE sure that if child molestation was occurring, the police would also perform a raid where you live. They do not live by their own laws. They are allowed to prosecute and similar things according to their own tribal customs, but they are NOT allowed to break federal and/or state laws.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Look at tax code alone.

    If you are married to two women, can you claim them both as a dependent? Can all three of you file "jointly"? If one of those two women is married to a second man, can both husbands claim her as a dependant? Which claims her income, if there is any? If she has a child with the second man, but the child spends significantly more time with the household of the first man, can the first man claim the child as a dependant? What about if the second man is married to a completely seperate woman as well and they have a kid. The wife the two men share is now the "mother" of another woman's child, who and how can that child be claimed for tax purposes?

    I have no issue with polygamy on a private level being legal. I don't believe that it's a benefit to society or government to legalize the notion in terms of the LEGAL term and benefits that come with it, nor do I find a compelling Equal Protection Clause argument for it in the same way there is for Same-Sex Marriage.
    We have parallel problems with traditional marriage and we have courts to sort it out.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm sure that people who want to marry or love more than one person feel differently than you. It's only deviant to you because of your ultra-religious standards.
    I am not a religious person. Care to try once more?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I am not a religious person. Care to try once more?
    No, not really. You can be against it, and that's fine, but you cannot force people to live by what YOU might think is right or wrong, as long as they are not hurting anyone else.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, not really. You can be against it, and that's fine, but you cannot force people to live by what YOU might think is right or wrong, as long as they are not hurting anyone else.
    I'm not forcing what I would like on anyone. It is others who are attempting to do so, but if you want to open up marriage for interpretation, then let's do it...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm not forcing what I would like on anyone. It is others who are attempting to do so, but if you want to open up marriage for interpretation, then let's do it...
    Not open for interpretation, but allowing for it as long as it isn't hurting someone else (such as marrying children or perhaps animals, since neither can consent, maybe some other instances that I can't think of right now). I'm not for "anything goes."

    Actually, polygamy has been around forever, and it never caused the collapse of society or anything. Most people would NOT choose this lifestyle anyway. It would probably only be people who are already practicing polygamy in some form, such as living together as a family or whatever.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not open for interpretation, but allowing for it as long as it isn't hurting someone else (such as marrying children or perhaps animals, since neither can consent, maybe some other instances that I can't think of right now). I'm not for "anything goes."

    Actually, polygamy has been around forever, and it never caused the collapse of society or anything. Most people would NOT choose this lifestyle anyway. It would probably only be people who are already practicing polygamy in some form, such as living together as a family or whatever.
    Then, if one chooses to support SSM, it would only be logical that polygamy would be included in the same discussion...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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