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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I guess this is where we differ. I don't think marriage was designed to benefit the state. It's for the individuals involved.

    There's no rational reason to not allow polygamists to marry. It's not like they can't live together and raise a family regardless, so why not let them exercise their relationship the way they choose?

    Giving them the marriage title or not won't change their actions in raising their kids or "effecting society", but it will go far into giving them a sense of equality.
    Definitely where we differ. The legality of marriage is sponsored by the state. If something has no benefit to the state, the state has no reason to sponsor it. Plural marriage is not an orientation nor has it been shown to provide any benefits to the individuals, children, or society. I have no issue with polygamy OUTSIDE of state sponsorship.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Should Plural Marriage be legalized too?
    Since no option in the poll represents my feelings on the matter, I'll state here, no.

    In 2009, the Canadian Supreme Court considered whether s. 293 of the law against polygamy that criminalizes it, was constitutional. It was upheld. The government's lawyer in the case, Craig Jones, wrote a book about it, "Cruel Arithmetic". I cannot get a linkable quote from the book, but this is an article covering the main thrust of Jones' argument that, in the end, prevailed and s. 293 was upheld.

    In a polygamous society like Bountiful, B.C. — a mysterious, secretive colony populated by members of the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints, the breakaway Mormon sect which practises “plural marriage” — this “cruel arithmetic” inevitably manifests itself in two ways. Every time a man takes an additional wife (polyandry, the taking of multiple husbands by a woman, is almost unknown) another man in the community is left with no one to marry. And as the adult females are married off, younger and younger wives are taken. The results: child trafficking, sexual exploitation of minors, and “lost boys,” who are marginalized and even expelled from their homes:
    One of Jones’s expert witnesses, Dr. Joe Henrich, forcefully made the case that a “nontrivial” increase in polygamy would result in higher rates of crime and anti-social behaviour from the growing number of unmarried males (this has been the experience in China, where the “one-child” policy has led to an imbalance in the number of males and females).
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    2011 BCSC 1588 Reference re: Section 293 of the Criminal Code of Canada

    I know. This is a Canadian court, but the harms mentioned and cited in the decision are not exclusive to Canada.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The can is already open. The same arguments used to legitmize SSM can and will be used to legalize polygamy and other things.
    Slippery slope arguments are logical fallacies. As are false equivalencies.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Indeed they aren't.

    Polygamy, while unconventional, is genuine marriage, and it fulfills the purpose of marriage, while “same sex marriage” is not, never was, and never will be genuine marriage, and can only undermine and degrade the purpose of genuine marriage; and can only ever harm the society which embraces it.
    We already know that you don't understand the purpose of marriage; therefore your post is irrelevant.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We already know that you don't understand the purpose of marriage; therefore your post is irrelevant.
    God told Solomon the purpose and he had hundreds of wives.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    thanks.... i always love your remarks which bare no merit...
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No problem. Is that your SS guy you've got back as an avatar, or have you decided to pay tribute to American soldiers?
    look closer.....becuase your wrong.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No problem. Is that your SS guy you've got back as an avatar, or have you decided to pay tribute to American soldiers?
    Looks to me like a generic plastic toy soldier, such as I used to play with when I was a child—a rather impressive feat, given that plastic had not been invented yet when I was that young, and neither had toys nor soldiers. Nor playing, for that matter. But my generation was stubborn. We didn't let the fact that an activity such as playing had not yet been invented stop us from doing so, nor did we let the fact that certain other things had not been invented stop us from playing with those things. And even that was tricky, because stubbornness hadn't been invented yet.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    How prevalent is that NOW? Why would it be any more prevalent (as a percentage of the total) if polygamy were legalized? Legalizing gay marriage in various states hasn't led to a significant rise in fraudulent unions to access medical benefits.

    Hell, my fiance's company offers domestic partnership benefits WITHOUT any legal union. You merely have to show proof of having lived together for the previous 6 months. And we live in TEXAS.
    It is more prevalent than people think and not just for green cards.

    Sham green card marriages easy to arrange in the United States

    But it becomes a bigger problem in certain organizations, such as the military and would require a large amount of taxpayer money to deal with, especially if we put no limit on how many marriages a person could get into for money.

    We are already looking at major cuts because of how much it costs for dependents. When you add the very real possibility of servicemembers marrying just to get extra benefits per dependent or to get paid by a dependent/their family in order for them to get medical/school benefits for much cheaper by being a military dependent, then it easily could become a huge financial issue with just a few participating in the fraud. We currently have a number of people who have gotten in trouble for being in a fraud marriage in the military.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Now, as for the poll, I did lie, but only because there was no other options available to me. I don't actually have a cat at all (can't in my housing), nor I have I ever personally named one "Mittens". The other poll options however were not acceptable to vote on at all though. They did not represent my view.

    Marriage in the US is designed legally, functionally around two people. Marriage treats both spouses equally in the marriage. Many of the issues with allowing multiple spouses in marriage have already been mentioned. Marriage takes the place of a person needing several legal contracts to give certain permissions for people to make decisions for another person when they can't, such as a medical power of attorney/decision maker. We limit a person to be able to legally only designate one person as their medical decision maker in such a contract. And they are only allowed to have one such contract as legally enforceable at a time.

    There is a legitimate state interest furthered by limiting marriage based on number. And that is the onus of each case when applying equal protection, what legitimate state interest is being furthered.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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