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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    let me throw something at you and see what you think.

    suppose a person could marry 10 people, and say that person had a good job, with health benefits, and in the marriage there are 22 children, this makes 33 people that the insurance company that the person works for woulds have to provide for.
    They all have to be covered somehow, right? Why not in this polygamous household?

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If this is valid, then it is a valid argument against SSM as well.
    Going to nip this in the bud once and for all: SSM AND POLYGAMY ARE NOT COMPARABLE. Polygamy is a marital status, it deals with a wide array of issues and responsibilities, you may as well bring up gay marriage, which is equally irrelevant to this particular topic. SSM is nothing more than a sexual fetish. It doesn't expand to the ranges of property ownership, having and raising children, or a mutual partnership in business and household matters. Marriage covers a very broad spectrum of things. SSM is just kink, so enough with this useless comparison. You may as well be comparing a 1986 Camaro to a T-Rex.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Um bud, I hate to tell you but there's already a lot more of this going on than you apparently realize; just not on the official level. Not just Mormons either.
    People doing it doesn't give it legal legitimacy. How is a court to decide who gets what in the instance that one of the wives files for divorce? Especially when children are involved. It would be a ****ing mess, a mess that nobody needs. If people want to be swingers, or whatever other sick **** people do these days, I have no problem with it as long as they keep it to themselves, but legalizing polygamy opens up a can of worms that need not be opened.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
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    That would only make sense if we assume that the six “parents” are producing children at a rate that would otherwise only take two genuine parents to achieve; and this seems like a wildly unrealistic assumption.

    More realistic is that the six “parents” in this one “family” would collectively produce a similar number of children similar to that which would be produced by three normal families with two parents each. Each child may have three times as many “parents”, but would also be competing with three times as many “siblings” for the attention of these “parents”.
    I consider overpopulation to be an approaching issue, so this argument falls flat.

    And as to competition for attention. Nobody is "on" all the time. Not for a kid or a spouse. Other times everybody is extra "on", able to "be there" for the whole clan.

    Stress on parents is a known. Many hands make light work.

    Two can live as cheaply as one. How cheaply can six or twelve live.

    You're just being dismissive here.
    Overpopulation is an entirely different, unrelated matter. I see no reason to suppose that the sort of arrangement that you've described would result in fewer total offspring. In fact, it seems obvious to me that the ability to distribute the work more efficiently would tend to encourage such a “family” to produce more offspring than the same parents would produce if they only married in pairs. In the early days of the Mormon settlements in Utah, the practice of plural marriage seems to have helped these settlements to grow their populations significantly more rapidly and efficiently than they otherwise would have.

    If you think that reducing the population, or at least slowing the growth thereof, is a desirable goal, then polygamy does not seem to be at all a useful means of accomplishing this goal.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Indeed they aren't.

    Polygamy, while unconventional, is genuine marriage, and it fulfills the purpose of marriage, while “same sex marriage” is not, never was, and never will be genuine marriage, and can only undermine and degrade the purpose of genuine marriage; and can only ever harm the society which embraces it.
    "Legitimate marriage" from a legal standpoint is whatever the law says it is. Currently, SSM is legitimate in more places in the US than polygamy. Which "purpose" of marriage(careful, this is a trick question)?
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I'm trying to help the libs sort through their own fuzzy logic.
    Except it is not fuzzy logic, unless you think two different things should be considered the same.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    People doing it doesn't give it legal legitimacy. How is a court to decide who gets what in the instance that one of the wives files for divorce? Especially when children are involved. It would be a ****ing mess, a mess that nobody needs. If people want to be swingers, or whatever other sick **** people do these days, I have no problem with it as long as they keep it to themselves, but legalizing polygamy opens up a can of worms that need not be opened.

    The can is already open. The same arguments used to legitmize SSM can and will be used to legalize polygamy and other things.

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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's probably in part because many people associate Poly exclusively with certain specific sects of Mormon Fundamentalists, and because the setup is theoretically patriarchial and religious, that offends their leftist thinking processes.
    There is no such thing as a “Mormon Fundamentalist”.

    That said, the FLDS certainly do give the concept of plural marriage a bad name.

    When we genuine Mormons practiced polygamy (including my aforementioned great-great grandfather), we did so in an orderly way, that did not produce any of the ills that have repeatedly been claimed in this thread would result from the practice.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The can is already open. The same arguments used to legitmize SSM can and will be used to legalize polygamy and other things.
    The can is open since the law recognizes marriage. The arguments for SSM and polygamy are different since they are different things. Funny how you can't refute that basic fact so you run away from it.
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    re: What about the polygamists!?! [W:693]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There is no such thing as a “Mormon Fundamentalist”.

    That said, the FLDS certainly do give the concept of plural marriage a bad name.

    When we genuine Mormons practiced polygamy (including my aforementioned great-great grandfather), we did so in an orderly way, that did not produce any of the ills that have repeatedly been claimed in this thread would result from the practice.

    Pardon; no offense was intended... they are commonly referred to in this manner.

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