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    56 62.22%
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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you must have changed your tune since I last read your opinion on this.
    Nope, not really.

    1. Some basic means testing which removes the wealthy from the rolls, or at least significantly reduces their benefit.
    2. A partial shift of our FICA taxes into private accounts which generate higher rates of return, while the remainder stays to ensure the floor for current seniors
    3. The maintenance of guaranteed floors of benefits that are in line with the current benefit, though I'm open to making them flattened so that current low-income (poor) retirees don't get screwed, but which are funded first from returns from the private account, meaning that program expenditures go down every year from now until they reach net zero and then
    4. A tax on the individual accounts upon the event of their passing to a non-spouse which will replace the Estate Tax and probably eventually not a little bit of the Income tax as well.

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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Nope, not really.

    1. Some basic means testing which removes the wealthy from the rolls, or at least significantly reduces their benefit.
    2. A partial shift of our FICA taxes into private accounts which generate higher rates of return, while the remainder stays to ensure the floor for current seniors
    3. The maintenance of guaranteed floors of benefits that are in line with the current benefit, though I'm open to making them flattened so that current low-income (poor) retirees don't get screwed, but which are funded first from returns from the private account, meaning that program expenditures go down every year from now until they reach net zero and then
    4. A tax on the individual accounts upon the event of their passing to a non-spouse which will replace the Estate Tax and probably eventually not a little bit of the Income tax as well.
    If you lift the cap you'd solve 90% of the problem right there.


    I also wonder if this fix-that-isn't addresses DI and Medicare. Seems like it didn't.
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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you lift the cap you'd solve 90% of the problem right there.
    well, that's part of my plan as well - but I disagree as to the portion of the problem that it solves. SS as it stands is a miserable abuse of our poor.

    I also wonder if this fix-that-isn't addresses DI and Medicare. Seems like it didn't.
    this is strictly SS. For Medicare I'd have to redirect you to another thread.

    But you are right to link the two. It kind of doesn't matter what we do to SS if we don't fix Medicare.
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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, that's part of my plan as well - but I disagree as to the portion of the problem that it solves. SS as it stands is a miserable abuse of our poor.

    this is strictly SS. For Medicare I'd have to redirect you to another thread.

    But you are right to link the two. It kind of doesn't matter what we do to SS if we don't fix Medicare.
    And what about DI, disability insurance???
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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And what about DI, disability insurance???
    It would be separated from old-age insurance and that need addressed through a different mechanism.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-05-13 at 09:04 AM.

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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, that's part of my plan as well - but I disagree as to the portion of the problem that it solves. SS as it stands is a miserable abuse of our poor.



    this is strictly SS. For Medicare I'd have to redirect you to another thread.

    But you are right to link the two. It kind of doesn't matter what we do to SS if we don't fix Medicare.
    I don't have as much an issue with Medicare as I do with medicaid.

    The solution to SS, m-care and m-aide doesn't lie with the gov't... unless you want a miserable unworkable solution that bows to profit interests.

    The "fix" is on the shoulders of each individual.

    Chronic diseases cause 7 in 10 deaths each year in the United States.

    About 133 million Americans—nearly 1 in 2 adults—live with at least one chronic illness.

    More than 75% of health care costs are due to chronic conditions.


    80% of chronic diseases are PREVENTABLE/CURABLE with diet and exercise.

    Seriously, all you have to do is eat your peas and go for a walk.

    But here is the kicker...
    the industrial food industry - will tell you that taste is the most important thing, but will throw a healthy trigger word on the package.
    the institutional pharmaceutical industry - makes most if not all of their profits from "treating" chronic disease. It is the cash cow. They have zero interest in CURING any chronic disease as it will destroy their market and the cure is far more organic, so they can't cash in on that either.
    the health insurance industry - Has you hostage. 50% of you will develop CD... there is no earthly way any working middle class person could afford their own treatment... so you will pay through the nose to keep from losing everything.

    If you are overweight or obese, have more than two drinks on a regular basis, smoke, eat primarily meat and starches... those life choices should not impact the rest of us who WILL end up paying for your fat drunk ass in your declining years. So.. basic coverage for all to start. Very basic. Coverage credits can then be given to those who make healthy choices. So the person who smoked for 40 years will not be considered for coverage for new lungs, experimental or marginal cancer treatments, etc... though pain management and end of life counseling would be covered as basic human decency.

    Government cannot fix a problem if government is not the root of the problem, it can facilitate a solution, but cannot fix it.

    WE are the root of the problem, therefore the RESPONSIBILITY for the fix lies SOLELY WITH EACH OF US.

    So yes, as someone who is going to have to pay for your life choices in your old age, I think I do have some input on what you are allowed to eat or feed your children. Seriously. If you want the freedom to destroy your body, then don't expect me to pay for it.

    Until the numbers above are cut in half any discussion of ideology, party politics, government solutions, etc, etc... is nothing but gum flapping.

    Both sides have grossly missed the solution. Why? Because the discussion is framed by media and advertisers who depend on your sh*itty life choices to make more profit than they did the year before.

    Want to fix this problem... make better choices for you and your family. Already do? Then what are you doing to be a good influence on your friends, neighbors, poor, etc...?

    This fix is so freaking simple. It's called individual and community responsibility.

    I now return you to the pointless and baseless argument already in progress...

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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    I avoided politics until after grad school. Most mathematicians prefer to stick to arguments that are right or wrong and there is no debate, e.g. mathematical proofs. However, when I became more interested in philosophy, there was little question that my philosophical opinions matched Republican.
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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    In high school, I was somewhat conservative, believing in small government, a strong military, and I was not a fan of taxes. After doing some reading, I changed to a Democrat, but then I became so disgusted with Obama that I hated the Dems. Seeing the financial crisis and how both parties had screwed us over, I became disenchanted with everyone. After doing some thinking (and now I am doing some reading), my views could be called libertarian socialism.
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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    So your SS scheme really doesn't replace what the SSA does at all ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    I don't have as much an issue with Medicare as I do with medicaid.
    Medicaid isn't part of FICA funding and is not at issue as far as I'm concerned. Different topic all together.
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    Re: How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?

    "How many times (if any) have you changed your political affiliation?"

    I've never been affiliated with a political group so there has never been an opportunity to change the affiliation.

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