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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, then we get the new scumbag...
    True, but until they start going to prison for their perjuries and other bad actions not much we can do. Perfectly telling is how that little troll Feinstein survived her defense contract scandals, not simply by remaining a free woman(should still be in prison), but also getting reelected. Then there's Marion Barry, getting arrested for smoking crack with a prostitute, elected upon release from prison. If these districts can't do the right thing, their elected reps sure won't.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, then we get the new scumbag...
    Not unless they are committed to serving the people of this nation and not serving their campaign donators. Why do you think Ron Paul did so bad? He had it right, it's just the media was unfair and he didn't accept those large campaign contributions that Romney and Obama took.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    True, but until they start going to prison for their perjuries and other bad actions not much we can do. Perfectly telling is how that little troll Feinstein survived her defense contract scandals, not simply by remaining a free woman(should still be in prison), but also getting reelected. Then there's Marion Barry, getting arrested for smoking crack with a prostitute, elected upon release from prison. If these districts can't do the right thing, their elected reps sure won't.
    And there you have concisely stated the problem. Society has outgrown (okay it was always larger) what can currently be controlled through DC which refuses to give up any of the control it has usurped and abdicated throughout the years...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    Not unless they are committed to serving the people of this nation and not serving their campaign donators. Why do you think Ron Paul did so bad? He had it right, it's just the media was unfair and he didn't accept those large campaign contributions that Romney and Obama took.
    One out of 536 is not a record for which the nation to be overly proud...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's an interesting question. I don't think it's unconstitutional, but I'm pretty sure it is a violation of federal law to interfere with federal officers who are performing their duty. Thus, such laws would place any officer who tries to enforce state law into the unenviable situation of having to violate federal law in order to do so.
    Good afternoon, Tucker Case.

    It just seems suspicious to me that we have had such a rash of these type problems recently.

    Perhaps this administration is testing to see how far it can go with what appears to be overreach? We have seen that the laws they don't agree with tend to be ignored, or skirted around. Plus it tends to clog up the legal system. It will be interesting to watch!

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, then we get the new scumbag...
    Good afternoon, AP.

    The elected scumbags we can deal with by voting them out...it's the unelected scumbags in the various agencies that are making laws that we have to live under that bother me!

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, AP.

    The elected scumbags we can deal with by voting them out...it's the unelected scumbags in the various agencies that are making laws that we have to live under that bother me!
    Good afternoon pg. Trading one scumbag for another doesn't really help much, and the agencies are only able to make regulatory declarations through the powers abdicated to them by Congress...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Good afternoon pg. Trading one scumbag for another doesn't really help much, and the agencies are only able to make regulatory declarations through the powers abdicated to them by Congress...
    : However, those "regulatory" declarations seem to carry the force of law! Why and when did Congress abdicate their responsibilities to the people who elected them? It probably didn't start with this administration, but they sure seem to be accelerating, and not that anyone cares, but I don't like it! :

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : However, those "regulatory" declarations seem to carry the force of law! Why and when did Congress abdicate their responsibilities to the people who elected them? It probably didn't start with this administration, but they sure seem to be accelerating, and not that anyone cares, but I don't like it! :
    It began when Congress refused to take on the Marbury v Madison decision...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's already spelled out in the constitution, the state is under no compulsion to uphold laws based upon powers the federal doesn't have, which is why within their borders those laws are null. I'll give you a perfect example, the 21 drinking law, the federal made 21 the age of consent in the mid 80s, Louisiana did not change the law until the federal coerced(i.e. extortion to us) my state holding highway funds hostage. Even then we had a loophole that allowed 18 year olds to drink under certain circumstances(in a on premise drinking establishment iirc). The federal could never win that in court, they had to coerce my state. Same with gun control, etc. they have no authority.
    That's a totally different thing that what I was discussing though. I understand that no state can be compelled to uphold the law. That's why I was talking about something totally different.

    Actually, those agents claimed authority under EPA policies and were citing federal law left and right but it doesn't matter, if the law has no authority, they have no authority.

    The states could technically hang these agents for "attempt to overthrow" if they so wanted to and the fed couldn't do a thing about it. The only exception would be if the agents were acting with full authority under legitimate federal purview such as the IRS(taxes), and Military under legitimate defense of borders, etc.
    Military is not limited to "defense of borders". If it comes down to it, the argument could be made that the issue falls under federal jurisdiction via military purposes.

    It wasn't an analogy, it was a real event. The agents were following the letter of federal law and much like most of those morons were in the way, Nungesser flat told them to stand down or rot in jail awaiting felony charges.
    I'm not familiar with the event, but what you describe does not negate the possibility that the reverse could occur, nor does it provide any evidence that the reverse is impossible.
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