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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Nullification is not constitutional.

    Nullification attempts have been "moral" and "immoral" over time. States were forced to adhere to the fugitive slave act and forced to desegregate and end Jim Crow.

    At the end of the day you can't have a nation with 50 states heading in different directions. The Articles of Confederation didn't work.
    The Fugitive Slave Act was Constitutional since it was based on the requirment in the Constitution for the States to recover escaed slaves per Article 4 Section 2.



    THE US CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 4 SECT 3 PARAGRAPH 3: No Person held to Service or Labor in one State, under the Laws therof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged form such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

    And for ending Jim Crow it was the belated enforcement of the 14th Amendment 1st section. See the underlined.


    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due processof law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And you can thank those same Founding Fathers so beloved by 'conservatives' when they think it suits, for that! Remember the system was set-up long ago.
    The founding fathers did not give the Supreme Court the sole power to determine Constitutionality, nor to uphold blatantly unconstitutional laws. This is a power that this corrupt body illegitimately seized for itself.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Question for people who are citing/supporting the Virginia/Kentucky resolutions:

    If a state pased laws preventing the feds from deporting illegal immigrants that reside within that state, would you support that state's right to do so?


    I'm just curious to see how consistent people are.
    I don't see what inconsistency this would indicate.

    Defending the nation against foreign invaders falls very solidly under the power of national defense, which is explicitly the duty and responsibility of the federal government. States have no authority to obstruct the federal government from carrying out this duty.

    In fact, to willfully harbor such foreign invaders would clearly constitute treason.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The founding fathers did not give the Supreme Court the sole power to determine Constitutionality, nor to uphold blatantly unconstitutional laws. This is a power that this corrupt body illegitimately seized for itself.
    Actually they did. They gave the federal court supremacy AND the precedent for the Supreme Court was set while the Founding Fathers were both alive and in various positions in government. It was during the Marshall Court of 1801-1835. Not REAL sure how a court can 'seize' power, pretty sure the other two branches could have brought that to a screeching halt if it was infact illegal. DO know congress critters hate the idea of someone getting to tell them what is Constitutional, interfering with their sense of dominance.

    No Sir, you are going to have to explain why the other two branches sat idly if the 'seizure' was infact illegal.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The founding fathers did not give the Supreme Court the sole power to determine Constitutionality, nor to uphold blatantly unconstitutional laws. This is a power that this corrupt body illegitimately seized for itself.
    It still amazes me that Congress didn't challenge Marbury v. Madison at that time, my best guess is they didn't want a full blown political struggle like that because of how new the rebuplic was. It seems though Congress looks more and more to delegate it's powers away, which is not only dangerous for the people of our country but seemingly a tactically ridiculous thing to do.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It still amazes me that Congress didn't challenge Marbury v. Madison at that time, my best guess is they didn't want a full blown political struggle like that because of how new the rebuplic was. It seems though Congress looks more and more to delegate it's powers away, which is not only dangerous for the people of our country but seemingly a tactically ridiculous thing to do.
    They have only seemingly delegated their powers to other in DC for which they have oversight...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    They have only seemingly delegated their powers to other in DC for which they have oversight...
    Right, but the problem is that the delegated powers end up in agencies appointed by Congress but they are not accountable to elections or the people in any real way. The agencies act "under the discretion of congressional approval" to an extent, but they are not granted powers in and of themselves in any constitutional way, many times acting directly outside of constitutional restraits.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Right, but the problem is that the delegated powers end up in agencies appointed by Congress but they are not accountable to elections or the people in any real way. The agencies act "under the discretion of congressional approval" to an extent, but they are not granted powers in and of themselves in any constitutional way, many times acting directly outside of constitutional restraits.
    Oh, I absolutely agree. The meaning of the post was that Congress attempts to wash its hands of the powers it has delegated. Many agencies now have more immediate power than Congress, and That will be very difficult, if not impossible, to reign in given the political division in the country...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Oh, I absolutely agree. The meaning of the post was that Congress attempts to wash its hands of the powers it has delegated. Many agencies now have more immediate power than Congress, and That will be very difficult, if not impossible, to reign in given the political division in the country...
    To me that's just the start, they don't fight when presidents issue blatantly illigal executive orders, an ever increasing trend since at least the Clinton years, they don't fight against idiotic rulings by SCOTUS, things they have very legitimate check powers to. They seem to just kind of go along to get along which is NOT why they are there.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    To me that's just the start, they don't fight when presidents issue blatantly illigal executive orders, an ever increasing trend since at least the Clinton years, they don't fight against idiotic rulings by SCOTUS, things they have very legitimate check powers to. They seem to just kind of go along to get along which is NOT why they are there.
    Again, this is all being done due to the current political divisiveness. We began as one nation, but the longer we exist, the more we divide, much like cellular division...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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