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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Seems to me you are getting caught up in the semantics, no offense.
    Semantics are only ignored by people actively attempting to ignore the meanings of words.

    It's pretty cut and dry. If a non-citizen is born to a non-citizen outside of U.S. borders they must have permission to cross said borders, to remain permanently or semi-permanently they must meet residency requirements.
    And the issue at hand is that the Federal government is the sole authority to issue residency rules due to usurpation of said power from the states

    All of this falls within naturalization and border enforcement.
    Absolutely none of that falls into naturalization. None. Zero, nada, zilch.

    Border enforcement ends... at the border. If a person is allowed in, say on a tourists Visa, then constitutionally a state has the authority to grant said person residency within said state.

    So residency also falls outside of border enforcement.

    As I have been saying, it requires interpretation to claim that residency laws fall into the federal governments powers. If it requires interpretation it is not an enumerated power.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It doesn't follow. States hold powers not enumerated to the federal government
    Like the power to determine residency.


    SCOTUS has expanded some powers illigitimately to the federal that they do not own
    Like the power to determine residency.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Semantics are only ignored by people actively attempting to ignore the meanings of words.



    And the issue at hand is that the Federal government is the sole authority to issue residency rules due to usurpation of said power from the states



    Absolutely none of that falls into naturalization. None. Zero, nada, zilch.

    Border enforcement ends... at the border. If a person is allowed in, say on a tourists Visa, then constitutionally a state has the authority to grant said person residency within said state.

    So residency also falls outside of border enforcement.

    As I have been saying, it requires interpretation to claim that residency laws fall into the federal governments powers. If it requires interpretation it is not an enumerated power.
    I don't even see where you are trying to disconnect the processes. It's pretty simple, if the U.S. is given the power to form naturalization laws it follows they must have control of the process in full, which includes immigration.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Like the power to determine residency.
    Unless, of course, it requires crossing borders, immigration, which is a 100% precondition to immigrate.



    Like the power to determine residency.
    See above.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't even see where you are trying to disconnect the processes. It's pretty simple, if the U.S. is given the power to form naturalization laws it follows they must have control of the process in full, which includes immigration.
    It doesn't follow, though. It took almost 100 years for SCOTUS to decide to expand the power illegitimately.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It doesn't follow, though. It took almost 100 years for SCOTUS to decide to expand the power illegitimately.
    That may actually be one they got right. Shocking I know, but as long as the fourteenth gives naturalization powers to the federal they own the entire process. It's really that simple.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Unless, of course, it requires crossing borders, immigration, which is a 100% precondition to immigrate.
    Millions of people cross our borders without immigrating every day. That has nothing to do with immigration and residency. The feds are free to turn people away at the border.
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That may actually be one they got right.
    So you don't actually give a **** about constitutionality. Ends justify the means, **** on the constitution when it suits your purposes, etc. Noted. Why bother pretending that the constitution matters, though?
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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you don't actually give a **** about constitutionality. Ends justify the means, **** on the constitution when it suits your purposes, etc. Noted. Why bother pretending that the constitution matters, though?
    You're being overly emotional Tuck. I'm spelling out how it's constitutional and why, if it weren't I wouldn't be going through the logic of it and would be on your side.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is state nullification constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You're being overly emotional Tuck. I'm spelling out how it's constitutional and why, if it weren't I wouldn't be going through the logic of it and would be on your side.
    I'm not being emotional at all. I'm being blunt. You've **** on the principles you profess to uphold based on your reverse engineered logic designed to achieve the desired conclusion (that immigration is a federal power).

    You've employed identical logic to the "gun grabbers" by reinterpreting words, redefining terms, and claiming that things which are not enumerated powers are enumerated powers in order to justify the increase federal authority in an illegitimate manner. Once you do that, you lose all credibility in such debates, IMO.
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