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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    I ran an identical poll almost three years ago, since DP has added a significant number of users I thought I would try it again.

    In May 2010 Rand Paul announced his candidacy for U.S. Senate from Kentucky on MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show. On the show he got into some trouble because he said he wouldn't support the "public accommodations" portion of the Civil Right Act of 1964.

    That led up to this confrontation with Megyn Kelly on Fox where he said he favors repeal of that part of the law.

    Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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    Here is part of the transcript:

    KELLY: Rand Paul is a libertarian. You are a libertarian. He is getting excoriated for suggesting that the Civil Rights act -- what he said was, "Look it's got 10 parts, essentially; I favor nine. It's the last part that mandated no discrimination in places of public accommodation that I have a problem with, because you should let businesses decide for themselves whether they are going to be racist or not racist. Because once the government gets involved, it's a slippery slope." Do you agree with that?

    STOSSEL: Totally. I'm in total agreement with Rand Paul. You can call it public accommodation, and it is, but it's a private business. And if a private business wants to say, "We don't want any blond anchorwomen or mustached guys," it ought to be their right. Are we going to say to the black students' association they have to take white people, or the gay softball association they have to take straight people? We should have freedom of association in America.

    KELLY: OK. When you put it like that it sounds fine, right? So who cares if a blond anchorwoman and mustached anchorman can't go into the lunchroom. But as you know, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 came around because it was needed. Blacks weren't allowed to sit at the lunch counter with whites. They couldn't, as they traveled from state to state in this country, they couldn't go in and use a restroom. They couldn't get severed meals and so on, and therefore, unfortunately in this country a law was necessary to get them equal rights.

    STOSSEL: Absolutely. But those -- Jim Crow -- those were government rules. Government was saying we have white and black drinking fountains. That's very different from saying private people can't discriminate.

    KELLY: How do you know? How do you know that these private business owners, who owned restaurants and so on, would have said, "You know what? Yes. We will take blacks.

    STOSSEL: Some wouldn't.

    KELLY: We'll take gays. We'll take lesbians," if they hadn't been forced to do it.

    STOSSEL: Because eventually they would have lost business. The free market competition would have cleaned the clocks of the people who didn't serve most customers.

    KELLY: How do you know that, John?

    STOSSEL: I don't. You can't know for sure.

    KELLY: That then was a different time. Racism and discrimination was rampant. I'm not saying it's been eliminated. But it was rampant. It was before my time, before I was born, but obviously I've read history, and I know that there is something wrong when a person of color can't get from state to state without stopping at a public restroom or a public lunchroom to have a sandwich.

    STOSSEL: But the public restroom was run by the government, and maybe at the time that was necessary.

    KELLY: But that's not what Rand Paul said. Rand Paul agreed that if it's run by the government, yes intervention is fine. He took issue with the public accommodations, with private businesses being forced to pony up under the discrimination laws.

    STOSSEL: And I would go further than he was willing to go, as he just issued the statement, and say it's time now to repeal that part of the law

    KELLY: What?

    STOSSEL: because private businesses ought to get to discriminate. And I won't won't ever go to a place that's racist and I will tell everybody else not to and I'll speak against them. But it should be their right to be racist.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    yes.

    it won't make a lick of difference either way. racists are going to practice racism, but laws should be consistent.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    I agree 100% with Rand Paul, and I agree 100% with John Stossel.

    What I've found is that if there is ONE news media figure I agree with on almost all fronts, it's Stossel.

    Stossel is right. Anyone who would've kept up with private sector racism would've went belly-up over time.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    I do agree with Stossel, although I can see both sides. I am gay. I can imagine certain businesses saying we don't cater to gay people. But should I be able to force them to cater to me? I don't think I should be. Why would I want to give my money to people like that anyway? I would instead create an association of gay-friendly businesses and publicize it. Or create a list of all the companies that discriminate, and give them hell. Bring to light to discrimination that I think is wrong.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I do agree with Stossel, although I can see both sides. I am gay. I can imagine certain businesses saying we don't cater to gay people. But should I be able to force them to cater to me? I don't think I should be. Why would I want to give my money to people like that anyway? I would instead create an association of gay-friendly businesses and publicize it. Bring to light to discrimination that I think is wrong.
    That would be a more effective solution, and Stossel said that he would do the same. Business owners exist to turn a profit. If their own narrow-minded beliefs get in the way of them making money, they're essentially forced to keep up or get out. They have a better chance of seeing the err in their ways, in my opinion, if the free market tells them that they're wrong instead of a bloated, oppressive government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Yes, I agree with both of them. It is a violation of property rights and they have the right to discriminate on who uses their property like anyone else has a right to decide on who uses their property. That is all there is to say about it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Absolutely not. Whether or not the businesses in question would have lost competitiveness or eventually went bankrupt is entirely speculatory and irrelevant. Putting into law the principle that no man should be treated as a second class citizen simply because of appearance was a necessary and long overdue measure.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Absolutely not. Whether or not the businesses in question would have lost competitiveness or eventually went bankrupt is entirely speculatory and irrelevant. Putting into law the principle that no man should be treated as a second class citizen simply because of appearance was a necessary and long overdue measure.
    Should clubs be allowed to have dress codes? For example, should a club be able to say "to get into this club, you have to have a full tuxedo"?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    I don't agree that we should repeal part of the Civil Rights Acts of 64'... I understand that private business is private, and many believe a business owner should say, and do as he pleases. But, I don't think we should repeal this specific aspect of the Act because what if a big business like say Chick Fil-A said that they won't serve black people or gays tomorrow and forever... Well, they would then force their employees to kick out any black or gay people that came in for food even though that employee might hate what they are doing. I think it just creates a lot more problems. I don't see the point in going through and changing such a law. That's just my opinion. I understand the argument of a free-market system, but I think it would create so many more problems when employees are already struggling to find jobs to force them to conform to a view-point held by a CEO.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Nope. Setting aside Stossel's weird confusion about public accommodations law and segregation by the government; his position is terrible public policy that can and will screw over - and has screwed over - various groups of people.

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