• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?


  • Total voters
    96
Yet they didn't prove their case. :shrug:

What are you talking about? You really should read it. They upheld the ruling that there was harm, and that the Constitution was not violated.
 
What are you talking about? You really should read it. They upheld the ruling that there was harm, and that the Constitution was not violated.

I have read it. They didn't prove anything.
 
What else is there? Property?
Oh, you've definitely cost me money if I stop to eat and you won't serve me when your business is clearly OTTP.


Otherwise, you can open a private club and serve whoever you want, or not as you see fit.
 
Oh, you've definitely cost me money if I stop to eat and you won't serve me when your business is clearly OTTP.

How am I costing you money?? You came to my business on your own free will, so you cost yourself money.
 
How am I costing you money?? You came to my business on your own free will, so you cost yourself money.
If you're showing OTTP then you've falsely advertised. I came expecting OTTP and didn't get that.


Open a private club if you want to be a bigot.
 
I assume you meant they COULD BE?

You assume correctly.

I'm not here for your anarchist fantasies.

In the real world there are obvious safety hazards with increased traffic flow and probable maintenance issues as well. It would not be reasonable to limit each individual house in a subdivision to X number of cars per year (how would one keep track?) and certainly a daily limit would be ridiculous. It may not be an issue for a large family's (great) grandparents to have a twice a year get together where there are maybe 40 people (incl children/grandchildren/etc) but having that much extra traffic every single day would be cause for concern, let alone how much traffic an average business generates.

Again, road owners may establish rules for the use of their roads, but they may not dictate that a person may not engage in trade on his own property. Otherwise, they would be initiating violence against someone who has damaged nobody's person or property, which is unjustifiable.

It's easy to see why in your anarchist world - they loose other customers because of poor service.

As with the road owners, sellers of electricity, gas, etc are certainly free to limit the supplies of these things they are willing to sell to any customer, but they have no right to tell another person whether or not they may engage in trade on their own property.

Tell that to the survivors in Texas. Tell me, how much money does it take to replace a child, a mother, or a father? Should we execute all the owners? That might be enough deterrence to keep future business owners from creating or allowing a lethal threat like that.

As I said, it would be reasonable for the law to forbid such dangerous activities, regardless of whether they are undertaken by someone engaged in trade or not.
 
Oh, you've definitely cost me money if I stop to eat and you won't serve me when your business is clearly OTTP.


Otherwise, you can open a private club and serve whoever you want, or not as you see fit.

Nope. The person has not damaged your body or your property in any way.
 
Nope. The person has not damaged your body or your property in any way.
If I drive 10 miles on the promise you made to serve me (OTTP) and you don't, then you have indeed harmed me just as much as if you'd stuck your hand in my pocket and taken my money. This is why false and misleading advertising is illegal.
 
Such a charter should be binding on all its signatories and nobody else.

You can vote with your feet. Find a place more agreeable to you then. You do not live behind a Berlin Wall keeping you prisoner. Exercise that freedom and do what the founders of this land did in the first place.
 
If I drive 10 miles on the promise you made to serve me (OTTP) and you don't, then you have indeed harmed me just as much as if you'd stuck your hand in my pocket and taken my money. This is why false and misleading advertising is illegal.

How are you harmed because you drive ten miles to a business that refuses to serve you? Wasted gas?
 
Last edited:
How are you harmed because you drive ten miles to a business that refuses to serve you? Wasted gas?
It could just as easily have been a 250 mile trip for parts (500 round trip) but it doesn't matter. The point is it wouldn't have happened had you not been promising something you didn't deliver.
 
If I drive 10 miles on the promise you made to serve me (OTTP) and you don't, then you have indeed harmed me just as much as if you'd stuck your hand in my pocket and taken my money. This is why false and misleading advertising is illegal.

I disagree that I have damaged your body or your property.

A quick Google search can save you that sort of inconvenience.
 
I disagree that I have damaged your body or your property.

A quick Google search can save you that sort of inconvenience.
You've cost me money, plain and simple. May as well have reached into my pocket and took it for yourself, especially if you happen to own a gas station, too. :roll:


So lying about your services is perfectly acceptable and legal?!? :lamo I'm glad I live in the Real World instead of your Fantasy Land!
 
You've cost me money, plain and simple. May as well have reached into my pocket and took it for yourself, especially if you happen to own a gas station, too. :roll:

I disagree. The store owner did not damage your body or any of your property. The fact that you decided to drive somewhere and ask to do business when you get there is your problem.

So lying about your services is perfectly acceptable?!? :lamo I'm glad I live in the Real World instead of your Fantasy Land!

No, lying is not acceptable. Who is lying?
 
I disagree. The store owner did not damage your body or any of your property. The fact that you decided to drive somewhere and ask to do business when you get there is your problem.

No, lying is not acceptable. Who is lying?
You are if you're advertising as OTTP. Obviously, if you discriminate you're not OTTP or I wouldn't have wasted my time and money. Like I said, open a private (non-OTTP) business and be a bigot all you want. If you're OTTP then serve me as you promised to do.
 
You are if you're advertising as OTTP. Obviously you're not OTTP or I wouldn't have wasted my time and money. Like I said, open a privater business and be a bigot all you want. If you're OTTP then serve me as you promised to do.

Well, sure. If the the store advertises that they will do business with all comers, then I can see you point. But if they don't advertise that, then you'd be best to inquire or use yelp or google to find out their terms before you go out of your way.
 
Back
Top Bottom