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Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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ernst barkmann said:
really, Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a federal, and not a national constitution.
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:yawn: Wake me up when you've actually read something else besides your dogma.
 
ernst barkmann said:
i asked you for where the authority, comes from, and all you tell me, is ...i looked....show me where you found this authority in our constitution.
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A1S8 and see post #1291.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Are we back to talking about animals being people, too? :lol:
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we are talking this, the constitution states a person, meaning you or me can petition our government, ......can you tell me why big business, of small business, unions, foreign governments, special interest are able to petition our government?....i am asking you this question, answer it?
 
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MoSurveyor said:
:yawn: Wake me up when you've actually read something else besides your dogma.
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do we have a national government...like France, where government controls all the land, air and ground, or we we have a federal government with limited powers, and the states control they on lands, air, and water?

Madison says we have a federal government, do you disagree with him...........please dont side step this question!
 
ernst barkmann said:
we are talking this, the constitution states a person, meaning you or me can petition our government, ......can you tell me why big business, of small business, unions, foreign governments, special interest are able to petition our government?....i am asking you this question, answer it?
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Anyone or anything anywhere can petition our government. That doesn't make them persons any more than not being able to torture animals make them persons.
 
ernst barkmann said:
telling me article 1 section 8 and then telling me about post 1291........what is that suppose to mean?......could you come to the direct point, and not be vague.
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Did you read ..?
 
ernst barkmann said:
do we have a national government...like France, where government controls all the land, air and ground, or we we have a federal government with limited powers, and the states control they on lands, air, and water?

Madison says we have a federal government, do you disagree with him...........please dont side step this question!
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That has nothing to do with the EPA. If you read instead of preach you'd learn more.
 
ernst barkmann said:
we are talking this, the constitution states a person, meaning you or me can petition our government, ......can you tell me why big business, of small business, unions, foreign governments, special interest are able to petition our government?....i am asking you this question, answer it?
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Because they are made up of people.
 
ernst barkmann said:
i answer my questions with the constitution, you answer yours with many different attempts
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Like the infamous Preamble to the Bill of Rights that you insist is part of the Constitution but yet you cannot present any actual evidence that it was ever ratified by the needed number of states?

Yeah.... sure .... whatever. :doh:roll::(
 
ernst barkmann said:
i answer my questions with the constitution, you answer yours with many different attempts
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Would that that were true! LOL!


I answer mine once and you ignore, then, later, ask again. If you preached less, kept on point, and did just a tiny bit of reading about the subjects being discussed you could actually follow the conversation better.
 
haymarket said:
Like the infamous Preamble to the Bill of Rights that you insist is part of the Constitution but yet you cannot present any actual evidence that it was ever ratified by the needed number of states?

Yeah.... sure .... whatever. :doh:roll::(
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He tried pulling that stunt, again, in this thread and I kept sending him back to the other one. ;)


Not counting the incessant rambling quotes from The Gods, which for some reason seems to have more precedence than the written word. :lol:
 
MoSurveyor said:
Anyone or anything anywhere can petition our government. That doesn't make them persons any more than not being able to torture animals make them persons.
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the constitution states a person, may petition the government, which is in the bill of rights, now how do unions, business, specical interest groups, get to petition government?..........becuase government makes laws, allowing them to, by considering them a person.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Did you read ..?
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read, read what?, what are you pointing to, article 1 section 8 in a long section,....be specific about what your taking about,

state the duty, and how it gives government the authority, will you do that for me please?
 
ernst barkmann said:
the constitution states a person, may petition the government, which is in the bill of rights, now how do unions, business, specical interest groups, get to petition government?..........becuase government makes laws, allowing them to, by considering them a person.
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Then obviously the country of Mexico is also a person? :lamo

I think you've run out of arguments for this strand, dude. You're pushing the limits of fantasy at this point.
 
haymarket said:
Like the infamous Preamble to the Bill of Rights that you insist is part of the Constitution but yet you cannot present any actual evidence that it was ever ratified by the needed number of states?

Yeah.... sure .... whatever. :doh:roll::(
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still living in denial.....even after i posted pics of the actual document ratified with the preamble on them.

which by the way you wanted to see, and when i produced them you stated, well the preamble is not part of the ratified bill......:roll:
 
MoSurveyor said:
Then obviously the country of Mexico is also a person? :lamo

I think you've run out of arguments for this strand, dude. You're pushing the limits of fantasy at this point.
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do you not know already governments of other nations, are petitioning our government.........becuase government has made federal laws, allowing it.......
 
ernst barkmann said:
excuse me!...your the one who dived into the waters of pollution........not me.
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You get 3/3 for that! :lamo :lamo :lamo

Read 'em and weep ...
ernst barkmann said:
we know very well the EPA, and other institutions of government have crossed on to state and private lands, without consent...these are property rights violations
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/164217-do-you-agree-john-stossel-32.html#post1061999275


And what you quoted has nothing to do with those "waters".
 
ernst barkmann said:
read, read what?, what are you pointing to, article 1 section 8 in a long section,....be specific about what your taking about,

state the duty, and how it gives government the authority, will you do that for me please?
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I've already told you what. Did you go back and read the post? Apparently not or it would be plain as day.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I've already told you what. Did you go back and read the post? Apparently not or it would be plain as day.
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this around about way of yours is tiring, you have stated nothing for me to read, you just pointed to the article 1 section 8 and said read.....and i said read what its a long section....read what?

your continued, ways of coming up with nothing, and starting topics, and then, acting, has thought i started them is,......showing your inability to post any concrete statements.....
 
ernst barkmann said:
this around about way of yours is tiring, you have stated nothing for me to read, you just pointed to the article 1 section 8 and said read.....and i said read what its a long section....read what?

your continued, ways of coming up with nothing, and starting topics, and then, acting, has thought i started them is,......showing your inability to post any concrete statements.....
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I'm sure you disapprove when others don't answer the same questions over and over for you. I referenced a post and A1S8. That's all you should need to reestablish the conversation we have already had. If it's not good enough then I guess you don't care much about the conversation.
 
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