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Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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iguanaman said:
Are you saying that the Govt. can do nothing even if you are spreading a disease that can cripple our nation? That's just preposterous.
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what disease are you saying?.....are you going to say racism and discrimination is a disease like your cohort.

if i was spreading a disease, that could kill people, or make them sick and i do it on purpose, knowing i have a disease...thats criminal.

if i spread a disease and i dont know i have one, its not criminal, and i cant be held for a crime.
 
MoSurveyor said:
You can go back to this thread with any new evidence you may have. I'll give you the first post of the contention so you can review all the pertinent posts ...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/162276-can-you-legally-amend-bill-rights.html#post1061879914


Until you can prove the Preamble to the BoR was ratified by the States, your claims are nothing but hot air.
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what have you not looked?, i have posted links to the actual documents (BOR ) that states ratified, and every one has the preamble in them.
 
ernst barkmann said:
what disease are you saying?.....are you going to say racism and discrimination is a disease like your cohort.

if i was spreading a disease, that could kill people, or make them sick and i do it on purpose, knowing i have a disease...thats criminal.

if i spread a disease and i dont know i have one, its not criminal, and i cant be held for a crime.
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That's why we made it a crime so you will know when you have it. There's help for it too. Don't give up
We tried letting nature take it course for 100 years and it only got worse. No other country is so afflicted as the US even today.
 
ernst barkmann said:
what does right to property mean to you...........that right to property is only at the behest of government......
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Aside from the physical force you can use to claim something (whether others might consider it your property or not) the ONLY property rights that exist must come from a government or popular consensus of some type. If others don't recognize your claims, then you have none. This is a basic component of life for people living in tribes, whether it's in a pre-historic jungle/cave or modern Western country.
 
MoSurveyor said:
the ONLY property rights that exist must come from a government or popular consensus of some type. If others don't recognize your claims, then you have none. This is a basic component of life for people living in tribes, whether it's in a pre-historic jungle/cave or modern Western country.
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lol........:lol:

next you going to tell me our nation has democratic government.
 
ernst barkmann said:
what rights does he have to give up.?
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One thing that is almost always required of any business are inspections of some kind, whether it be building inspections, food inspections or whatever. There are other conditions depending on the business. For example, as I noted earlier OTTP restaurants must provide a bathroom for their customers.


ernst barkmann said:
so government now has conditions on rights, if no crime is committed.
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A business is not a person.


ernst barkmann said:
i am in a room, with people looking to see what is being typed to me, and they are laughing and rolling there eyes.
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Then I'd say the drugs you're using are really good. :D
 
ernst barkmann said:
if a tire blows becuase of things out of my control, i have not committed a criminal act at all.......and i will not go to jail.
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Which is exactly what I said, "you're not going to be charged with a crime". You even quoted that phrase.


Have reading comprehension problems or just need to check that eyeglass prescription? :lol:
 
MoSurveyor said:
One thing that is almost always required of any business are inspections of some kind, whether it be building inspections, food inspections or whatever. There are other conditions depending on the business. For example, as I noted earlier OTTP restaurants must provide a bathroom for their customers.
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health and safety issue..which i mentioned before, so that no harm can come to people or others property..IE. spoiled food, or improbably storing of flammables


MoSurveyor said:
A business is not a person.
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a business has rights, ..if it had no rights government could do anything to them, search there building for no reason, tell me how much to sell something for, determine fat content of all their food, they could not petition the government, ...which they can under u.s.code 29 152 and the 1st amendment.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Aside from the physical force you can use to claim something (whether others might consider it your property or not) the ONLY property rights that exist must come from a government or popular consensus of some type. If others don't recognize your claims, then you have none. This is a basic component of life for people living in tribes, whether it's in a pre-historic jungle/cave or modern Western country.
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If rights were protected from the start we wouldn't even need a government.
 
DA60 said:
I think Americans should stop talking about race SO much.

There is only one race - the human race.

Calling someone a different race just because they have more or less melanin in their skin is asinine.
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I'll grant you that!


In fact, except for specific areas of study by geneticists, there is no such thing as race. The meaning the geneticist's use is much different than that in common use.
 
MoSurveyor said:
The Preamble to the BoR is not part of the legal document.

You can take your further objections here where we spent page after page on this topic and you failed to prove evidence for your claim ...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/162276-can-you-legally-amend-bill-rights.html#post1061879914
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oh its not, then can you explain why the actual document that went to the state legislative floor of each state has the preamble on the document in question.

the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Delaware.

it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.
THE BILL OF RIGHTS

the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Texas.

it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

texas picture copy of the federal bill of rights - Bing Images

the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Rhode Island.

it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

http://www.revolutionary-war-and-be...elve-amendments-to-the-constitution-large.jpg
 
ernst barkmann said:
a business has rights as a person does, to prevent the abuses of government....if they had no rights government could steamroll over them and do as they like.

business would be at government mercy, and government could force them to do anything government wanted.
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Sorry, but that's a no and you know it. States and even countries change business laws all the time.

As a person, I do NOT have to provide anyone in my house the use of bathroom facilities. I do NOT have to make sure there are no bugs or rodents in my kitchen. There are many things as a person that I can do, and many things I am not required to do, that businesses can't do or are required to do to be a business.


ernst barkmann said:
when a business is licensed, it is for the purpose of preventing misrepresentation, to prevent fraud, to adhere to health and safety codes. to protect the people and property from harm.
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And many other things as well.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Sorry, but that's a no and you know it. States and even countries change business laws all the time.

As a person, I do NOT have to provide anyone in my house the use of bathroom facilities. I do NOT have to make sure there are no bugs or rodents in my kitchen. There are many things as a person that I can do, and many things I am not required to do, that businesses can't do or are required to do to be a business.
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bad reply!

you will also note, business that serve food, and drink are the ones with restrooms, a warehouse is not required to have restrooms for the public only its employees.

pawn shops for example dont have to have restrooms.

not all business have restrooms

well its late, and wife is calling..nite all!
 
MoSurveyor said:
Not moot, just not natural anymore. According to Locke all your "natural" property rights went out the window when we started using money because now you can own more than you can use, which is the "natural" limit on ownership.
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That is not what he said at all.

Where does it say I have a right to property?
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I already went over that.

And who or what, exactly, determines what those property rights are in the US? You? The Libertarians? The minarchist and anarchists?
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The constitution of course.
 
ernst barkmann said:
a business has rights, ..if it had no rights government could do anything to them, search there building for no reason, tell me how much to sell something for, determine fat content of all their food, they could not petition the government, ...which they can under u.s.code 29 152 and the 1st amendment.
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I never said it didn't have some kinds of rights but they sure aren't the same as an individual's rights.
 
Henrin said:
If rights were protected from the start we wouldn't even need a government.
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I'll but the minarchist bait for a second ...

Who exactly would do that?
 
ernst barkmann said:
bad reply!
you will also note, business that serve food, and drink are the ones with restrooms, a warehouse is not required to have restrooms for the public only its employees.
pawn shops for example dont have to have restrooms.
not all business have restrooms
well its late, and wife is calling..nite all!
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No it's not. I mentioned earlier that different businesses had different requirements, few of which I have to meet as a person. I used a restaurant as an example. You want more examples - there are plenty available - or would you just prefer to cede that that's already been mentioned and move on?

For example - a warehouse is required to have a certain amount of airflow to use propane forklifts but I can run almost any kind of propane device I want under almost any conditions. I'm not required to have an 8" or equivalent concrete drive approach (that's the part on the public R/W) for vehicle entrance and exit.


Nite ...
 
Henrin said:
That is not what he said at all.
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That's the way many philosophers interpret it.


Henrin said:
I already went over that.
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I want back and looked and all I found was a bunch of undocumented claims on your part - mostly minarchist propaganda.


Henrin said:
The constitution of course.
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And just where are these alleged rights in the Constitution? I've only seen one reference - to the 14th - which wording seemed to imply you CAN own property (because if you happen to have property it can't be taken away from you "without due process of law") but that doesn't mean you have a right to own property, nor does it spell out what you may or may not do with said property if you happen to have it.
 
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