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Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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Boo Radley said:
The rights in question are the rights of minorities to have equal access to service and employment. The employer voluntarily opens shop to provide a service. Doing so means he has to follow all laws that entails.

The whinnying is on your part, so badly that you do little but exaggerate.
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are you saying people have a right to service and employment?

an shop owner offers privileges to the public which can be withdrawn.
 
ernst barkmann said:
really? what is affirmative action.....its government law mandating certain people be hired for a job based on their color, to create an even society by the use of force on business.

minimum wage what is it....... its government mandated pay, to create a more equable pay for workers on the lower end of the pay scale, by the use of force on business.

where are government social duties in the constitution?.......no where, so they are using powers they dont have, to make a moral decision, of who gets hired, and how much people are paid, based on what they think.
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Sorry, it's not morality. As long as you continue on that note I'll keep denying it.

Where is the right to property in the Constitution?
 
MoSurveyor said:
The government isn't "prohibiting [your] right to property" "just becuase they dont like it".
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then why is government suing people , who dont serve other people....where does government get the authority, to sue people becuase they did not offer serve to people
 
Henrin said:
Opening up a business is a right. It is an extension of the right to liberty and property.
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An extension?!? LOL! Then if I extend my right to life and kill you before you kill me then that's OK, too, right? :lol:


Sorry, nothing anywhere gives you a right to open a business.
 
Henrin said:
How many times do we need to go over this, really? There is no such thing as equal access to someone else's labor and property. You honestly have no idea how rights work, do you? You can't violate the very foundation of rights and then say that foundation is violation of your rights. It falls on its face as soon as it leaves the gate.

Everyone has a right to their labor
Everyone has a right to their property

Consent MUST be given for you to have access to someone else's labor or property.
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If your correct, why is it happening? I'm sorry, but you're simply ignoring what you don't want to accept.
 
MoSurveyor said:
An extension?!? LOL! Then if I extend my right to life and kill you before you kill me then that's OK, too, right? :lol:
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That would depend on your reason for killing me. Was I attacking you?

Sorry, nothing anywhere gives you a right to open a business.
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The right to property gives the owner the right to determine the destiny of that property.
 
Boo Radley said:
If your correct, why is it happening? I'm sorry, but you're simply ignoring what you don't want to accept.
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Because the government is violating peoples rights.
 
ernst barkmann said:
are you saying people have a right to service and employment?

an shop owner offers privileges to the public which can be withdrawn.
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They have a right to equality. And yes, the shop owner can close up shop. No one makes they stay in business.
 
ernst barkmann said:
i do have a right to commerce , which is buying or selling.
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Yep! Never said you didn't. I said a company does not have that right.


ernst barkmann said:
i have to have a license, to prevent fraud, abuse by a business to its customers.... to which i have made a transaction with.
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Exactly, you have to qualify to have a business. You have no right to it.


ernst barkmann said:
however i dont have to transact business with people i dont want to.

if i in my business ,threaten people, harm them, or do something which knowingly dangerous to health and safety, government can charge me with a crime, and discrimination is not a crime.

if i do something which is not deliberate, like a health and safety issue, government tells me to fix it, or fines me and tells me to fix it, or i am out of business.
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All junk you've pulled from thin air based on your own skewed principles. By going into business you have consented to the business laws of the governing body (and those above it) in which you have license. If you don't like those laws you should work to change them prior to obtaining your license or go somewhere else where the laws are more palatable to you. No one is making you stay and no one is making you open a business in the first place.
 
Boo Radley said:
They have a right to equality. And yes, the shop owner can close up shop. No one makes they stay in business.
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If you mean equality in terms of rights, then yes, but otherwise, no.
 
Henrin said:
Because the government is violating peoples rights.
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Poor, poor bigots. Making money of minorities. :lamo:lamo:lamo

But no. They went through a legal process. It's proper law.
 
ernst barkmann said:
and what right is that?

there is not right to be served, that's impossible.
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He was claiming the government is doing it anyway, so how is it possible people have the right to control their own property and their own labor.
 
Boo Radley said:
Poor, poor bigots. Making money of minorities. :lamo:lamo:lamo

But no. They went through a legal process. It's proper law.
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You don't appear to even understand why the bill of rights exists.
 
ernst barkmann said:
explain how its not legal.

since every state ratified the whole document with that preamble in it.
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We've been down this road before and you couldn't prove that statement then, either. I'm not going to go through it again. If you insist I'll look up the thread and you can pick up where you left off over there. You're wrong until YOU prove otherwise. You couldn't do it before so I'm pretty sure you can't do it now.
 
ernst barkmann said:
oh, so if a 20th century judge states something in complete opposition to Madison, he knows more, than Madison becuase of time?
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Knows more (resisting have fun about cars and planes and the Internet). Wrong framing again. Simply, Madison didn't live through civil rights and the last two hundred years. If he had, he too would have likely argued for changes to meet the new Robles. They don't duck them when they were alive, I doubt they duck them now. We've lived a history in which we faced challenges and addressed them. And rather well overall.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Yep! Never said you didn't. I said a company does not have that right.
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i am the company because i run it.


MoSurveyor said:
Exactly, you have to qualify to have a business. You have no right to it.
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never said anyone has a right to a business.


MoSurveyor said:
All junk you've pulled from thin air based on your own skewed principles. By going into business you have consented to the business laws of the governing body (and those above it) in which you have license.
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how can a law, which is in violation of the constitution be valid?

no a license is to prevent fraud, misrepresentation, and clean safe and healthly conditions at my business, ...morality does not play a part of law.

becuase who decides what is moral.....government?...never given that authority
 
Boo Radley said:
Right to be treated equal. No whites only. All are admitted.
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There is no such thing as a right to equal treatment when it comes to arrangements with your fellow citizens.
 
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