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Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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ernst barkmann said:
i said people can hate, nice try... trying to include me.:bs

laws which are unconstitutional.

since you think government is the moral master, would you approve if they made unlawful

homosexuality

devil worship

derogatory speech

i think you would change your tune very quickly.
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Relax jr. That was the universal you. And moral master is just more silly hyperbole. Try staying within reality.
 
Boo Radley said:
You mean misunderstanding aggression is your philosophy.

All, no one s harmed by having to accept paying customers. You're entire argument is making mountains out of ant hills.
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Does any person have the right to force someone to trade with people? If so, how did this person acquire this right?
 
Federalist said:
So a group of people agreed to something among themselves. By what legitimate authority are they able to impose their decision upon their fellow man?
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Rule of law. Our form of governance.
 
Federalist said:
Does any person have the right to force someone to trade with people? If so, how did this person acquire this right?
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There's no "a person." It's we the people who haven said we don't discriminate in this way. Born out of the civil rights movement.
 
Boo Radley said:
Rule of law. Our form of governance.
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So a right of the people can be to force other people to trade with them? You don't find that to be a violation of rights?
 
Boo Radley said:
Relax jr. That was the universal you. And moral master is just more silly hyperbole. Try staying within reality.
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Jr. hardly that......

many times i read what people post on this forum, and they will advocate that the government has no moral authority to tell them.

that they cant grow a plant.

smoke pot.

tell them who they can marry.

no authority to carry out a drug war.


yet is the same breath they will say government has a moral authority for.

discrimination

redistribute wealth

affirmative action

minimum wage


government has no social duties per the constitution into the life's of the people or business
 
Henrin said:
So a right of the people can be to force other people to trade with them? You don't find that to be a violation of rights?
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Nope. Because the right here is the right not be unduly discriminated against. The harm is to the person being discrimnated against and not the merchant who gets to make a profit.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. Because the right here is the right not be unduly discriminated against. The harm is to the person being discrimnated against and not the merchant who gets to make a profit.
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Facepalm. Forcing someone to trade with someone else is a violation of rights. I can't believe you desire to argue against this. You're basically just argued against the very foundation of rights here.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. Because the right here is the right not be unduly discriminated against. The harm is to the person being discrimnated against and not the merchant who gets to make a profit.
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no such right exist!

feelings are not in the constitution
 
ernst barkmann said:
Jr. hardly that......

many times i read what people post on this forum, and they will advocate that the government has no moral authority to tell them.

that they cant grow a plant.

smoke pot.

tell them who they can marry.

no authority to carry out a drug war.


yet is the same breath they will say government has a moral authority for.

discrimination

redistribute wealth

affirmative action

minimum wage


government has no social duties per the constitution into the life's of the people
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You misread a lot. Things meat don't harm others are often properly up to the individual. But this prejudice harms others.

Your bottom list shows more misunderstandings that would divert if we tackled them here. But you clearly show misunderstandings concerning those issues.
 
Henrin said:
Facepalm. Forcing someone to trade with someone else is a violation of rights. I can't believe you desire to argue against this. You're basically just argued against the very foundation of rights here.
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Nonsense. Your misunderstandings and exaggerations are your problem.
 
Boo Radley said:
You misread a lot. Things meat don't harm others are often properly up to the individual. But this prejudice harms others.

Your bottom list shows more misunderstandings that would divert if we tackled them here. But you clearly show misunderstandings concerning those issues.
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feelings are not in the constitution, just becuase someone hurt your feelings does not give you and any other person the right, to violate the rights of others by using government power.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
feelings are not in the constitution, just becuase someone hurt your feelings does not give you and any other person the right, to violate the rights of others.
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Answered you silly exaggeration above.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not feelings (exaggeration the other way now). Real concrete harm, shown in the court cases I linked.
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first: no citizen of the u.s. can violate the rights of other people, THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE, becuase the constitution is not written for people............ but governments only!

second : any move by me or another person to stop you from speaking, having firearm, worship, secure in your person...etc...........is a criminal act...........not a constitutional one.

when was the last time the government took someone to court for a bill of rights violation?

since i cannot violate your rights per the constitution i can only commit a criminal act against you...and government can get involved in that......hurting your feelings is not a crime, as is discrimination is not either.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Nonsense. Your misunderstandings and exaggerations are your problem.
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Nonsense? You made it very clear you supported forcing someone into trade with someone else. The right that you declared can not by definition be a right of the people as it must violate the rights of people to exist. You can not even hope to get away with the idea that forcing trade on people is a right.
 
ernst barkmann said:
first: no citizen of the u.s. can violate the rights of other people, THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE, becuase the constitution is not written for people............ but governments only!

second : any move by me or another person to stop you from speaking, having firearm, worship, secure in your person...etc...........is a criminal act...........not a constitutional one.

when was the last time the government took someone to court for a bill of rights violation?

since i cannot violate your rights per the constitution i can only commit a criminal act against you...and government can get involved in that......hurting your feelings is not a crime, as is discrimination is not either.
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I know you don't understand this, but it always falls down to people. Always. Governing is about people. Again, the history is clear on this.
 
Henrin said:
Nonsense? You made it very clear you supported forcing someone into trade with someone else. The right that you declared can not by definition be a right of the people as it must violate the rights of people to exist. You can not even hope to get away with the idea that forcing trade on people is a right.
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Trade isn't forced. No one has to be in business. No one.
 
Boo Radley said:
I know you don't understand this, but it always falls down to people. Always. Governing is about people. Again, the history is clear on this.
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please provide in the constitution/bill of rights were the people are limited in their capacity?

please tell me how government can force people into servitude, when the constitution forbids it?
 
Boo Radley said:
Trade isn't forced. No one has to be in business. No one.
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God, I hate when I get turned into a gerbil. The wheel is just so goddamn enticing.

Anyway, already went over that one a dozen or so pages ago. Do you have an argument for what I said or not?
 
Boo Radley said:
Trade isn't forced. No one has to be in business. No one.
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when government forces a citizen, to associate with another citizen against his will, that is rights violation.

when government uses its power force a business to serve a citizen,..that is involuntary servitude and a rights violation
 
ernst barkmann said:
please provide in the constitution/bill of rights were the people are limited in their capacity?

please tell me how government can force people into servitude, when the constitution forbids it?
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No one is being forced into servitude! Seriously, tone the exaggerations down.
 
Boo Radley said:
No one is being forced into servitude! Seriously, tone the exaggerations down.
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well i dont know how to explain it easier,..............but i will try.....

you enter my store, and i tell you to get out, becuase i dont serve white people, and you use the government to force me to serve you, or the government will fine me and put me out of business.

what choice do i have, serve you by involuntary means, .......or have government shut me down.
 
Henrin said:
God, I hate when I get turned into a gerbil. The wheel is just so goddamn enticing.

Anyway, already went over that one a dozen or so pages ago. Do you have an argument for what I said or not?
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You don't seem to understand it yet. :shrug:
 
ernst barkmann said:
when government forces a citizen, to associate with another citizen against his will, that is rights violation.

when government uses its power force a business to serve a citizen,..that is involuntary servitude and a rights violation
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No ones doing that. They only do a business transaction. Nothing more. And no one has to go into business.
 
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