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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not true. Again, read history and the court cases.

    please tell me how i can violate a persons rights, ...if i dont commit a crime........i am waiting for this...becuase its going to be good, for you to try and explain that!

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    So public is defined by the number of locations a business has? So if a business has a lot of locations it is not ok to discriminate, but if it has only one it is ok? And that makes sense to you?

    Exchanges are not zero sum games. By not buying, you are hurting not only yourself but the store owner, because he will not get your money. By not selling, the store owner is hurting not only those who he discriminates against but himself also--he wont get their money. So try again. Why not forbid customers from discriminating against the store owner? If everyone refuses to shop at a store because the owner is black, he will go out of business, and surely that hurts him, no?
    No, that was in terms of usage, number.

    No, no one has to buy. But I may need lodging or food. Without the law, as in the past, I may be unable to have these needs met when I travel. No, you show great ignorance of history.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that was in terms of usage, number.

    No, no one has to buy. But I may need lodging or food. Without the law, as in the past, I may be unable to have these needs met when I travel. No, you show great ignorance of history.
    So why must someone meet your needs to have food or lodging? Both of those seem very much like personal issues that you need to resolve on your own or find willing members of society to give you.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that was in terms of usage, number.

    No, no one has to buy. But I may need lodging or food. Without the law, as in the past, I may be unable to have these needs met when I travel. No, you show great ignorance of history.
    So a business that has less customers has more right to discriminate? That doesn't make much sense either. Even with your own example. A hotel in a small town may have very few customers. In terms of usage and number it has even less customers than the local club. By your logic, it should be allowed to discriminate--if public means "used more."

    Nobody has to sell either. This makes much more sense when you look at things in terms of an exchange, rather than buying and selling. When I go into a store, I exchange $10 for a book. Why should the store owner be forced to exchange his book for my dollars, but I not forced to exchange my dollars for his book? If everyone discriminates against the store owner, how will he afford his lodging? How will he afford his food? He will be unable to meet those needs too.

    Its easy for you to say I am ignorant of history because its not an argument and it requires no thought whatsoever. But sorry, I'm not. I get that discrimination was rampant and horrible. I know its history. But you need to justify the discrepancies I am pointing out.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I gave you the circumstances. A law is passed that denies all Americans the right to free speech. The Supreme Court upholds it as constitutional. Would you say it was constitutional given those circumstances?
    For something like that to happen would require a long, long chain of extremely unlikely events to occur and I'd bet a Revolution would happen long before it got to your link in the chain.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry government is not in the morality business, it if was ......then it could declare abortion was illegal, becuase it determined its just wrong.

    or ban contraceptives, becuase its immoral to use them.

    and some history for you....back in the 80's' congress was floating the idea of it being illegal for people with aids to have sex.........that illegal, ........government is not in the morality business.

    you are saying government has authority to be the moral guardian.......i dont think you would feel that way if they did things you did not approve of..........like making government films, preaching homosexuality in wrong, using tax dollars. which they did during the 50's
    I told you, racism is not only immoral. Racism is a debilitating disease that you think we should let fester. This is the 21st century and we treat diseases that infect the nation. We did it with polio and we will wipe out racism too. I suppose you think we should have let polio continue too?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I told you, racism is not only immoral. Racism is a debilitating disease that you think we should let fester. This is the 21st century and we treat diseases that infect the nation. We did it with polio and we will wipe out racism too. I suppose you think we should have let polio continue too?
    what a disease?

    you have got to be kidding.....

    so this gives government the authority to trample on the property rights of the people?

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.


    this means the government cannot create any law which infringes on the rights of the people, and there is a right to property.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I cant cause damage becuase of a statutory law.
    In fact, damages are a part of what people sue others for.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    For something like that to happen would require a long, long chain of extremely unlikely events to occur and I'd bet a Revolution would happen long before it got to your link in the chain.
    Well I agree. But that doesn't mean the question is invalid. Would it be constitutional to do that under any circumstance? Your suggestion of a revolution to stop such a thing seems to imply no.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights ...
    is not the law. We've been over this for the third time now - at least that I've seen. Would you like me to reference the thread and the pages and pages of it where you had plenty of chances to prove this was the law but couldn't???
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