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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Good try but that does not compute.

    First off, if Thomas Jefferson had meant "life liberty or property" he would have written it "life, liberty, and property" (or 'estate' as the case may be). The very fact that he didn't do that, and used "pursuit of happiness" instead, is information in and of itself about Jefferson's intent and meaning.

    Second, those two events are separated by almost a century of time. No one that signed the Declaration was alive when the 14th was written. I'd bet not even their children were still alive by that time.
    you have seriously got to do better than that

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You argue worse than you read ...
    affirmative action was a measure to see that minorities were hired by companies.

    its was created for equality in the eyes of the government...becuase government has no authority to dictate how many of each race has to be hired.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    As far as I'm concerned - and I beliive many if not all laws back me up on this - they don't have to be open to the public as long as they license themselves as a private (not open to the public) business and don't advertise like they're open to the public. There are thousands and thousands of private clubs of various kinds all over the US.
    No. All retail stores are "public accommodations" under the law. Any businesses should be allowed to reject any customer it wants for any reason. Currently that is not the law.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    You have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason except plain discrimination as defined in the bill of rights, Charter , or whatever your equivalent is.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    You have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason except plain discrimination.
    well not according to the u.s. constitution.

    which states only governments cannot discriminate and that ......one person cannot be made to serve another unless a crime has be committed.

    the 13th and 14th amendments

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    affirmative action was a measure to see that minorities were hired by companies.

    its was created for equality in the eyes of the government...becuase government has no authority to dictate how many of each race has to be hired.
    Go back, re-read my first post on this subject, look at the big picture here, and try again.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you have seriously got to do better than that
    I have as yet to see any kind of proof, cites, or other reliable evidence that Jefferson ever meant to say or imply property. You have certainly presented none. So, once again, we go back to the letter of the contract. It does not say 'property' and it does not say 'estate' --- it says "pursuit of happiness".

    Now, if gathering a bunch of things around you makes you happy then more power to you. That doesn't mean I am or want to be part of your little property omniscient world.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. All retail stores are "public accommodations" under the law. Any businesses should be allowed to reject any customer it wants for any reason. Currently that is not the law.
    Why would it have to be classified/licensed as a "retail store" if it's private (as opposed to OTTP)?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I have as yet to see any kind of proof, cites, or other reliable evidence that Jefferson ever meant to say or imply property. You have certainly presented none. So, once again, we go back to the letter of the contract. It does not say 'property' and it does not say 'estate' --- it says "pursuit of happiness".

    Now, if gathering a bunch of things around you makes you happy then more power to you. That doesn't mean I am or want to be part of your little property omniscient world.
    its very clear what its says, and its property.

    Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a [B]right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property[/B]; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.--samual adams

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its very clear what its says, and its property.
    The word "property" is not written in the Declaration. The Declaration reads "pursuit of happiness". You really should have your eyes checked.
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