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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    From whence do you (or others) acquire the legitimate authority over others that allows you to tell them what they may do with their car?
    Yes. I agree that, in general others don't have the authority to tell someone what they can do with their car on their property. (Except for example, if my neighbor generating a huge amount of dust running his car on his property.) Of course, public roads are another issue.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The do have those powers. We gave it to them. To ensure justice, equal treatment, and regulate commerce.
    no.... read the 14th amendment.....its says the governments are to dispense equal treatment of law and not discriminate.

    the constitution, does not limit the people or business.....


    14th .....All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    "article 1 section 8...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"

    james madison on commerce:

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce)
    James Madison, Federalist, no. 42, 283--85
    22 Jan. 1788

    "....The defect of power in the existing confederacy (articles of confederation) , to regulate the commerce between its several members, (between the states) is in the number of those which have been clearly pointed out by experience"

    Madison is saying under the articles there is a defect of commerce, ...because the states are involved in trade wars among themselves, bringing commerce to a stand still.

    the federal government was never given under the constitution power to regulate inside the states.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You actually LISTEN to political rhetoric?!?
    its very clear, that these laws were made to bring up the social scale.... minorities.

    in fact today the USSC , sent back to Texas a case of discrimination based on affirmative action, where the state admits it discriminated, ........as they put it ...." for the greater good"
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post


    Sorry, the Declaration does not contain the word "property". Try again.
    here try this:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    DOI......life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness <--------translates into property

    constitution------->.....life liberty or property
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no.... read the 14th amendment.....its says the governments are to dispense equal treatment of law and not discriminate.

    the constitution, does not limit the people or business.....


    14th .....All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    "article 1 section 8...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"

    james madison on commerce:

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce)
    James Madison, Federalist, no. 42, 283--85
    22 Jan. 1788

    "....The defect of power in the existing confederacy (articles of confederation) , to regulate the commerce between its several members, (between the states) is in the number of those which have been clearly pointed out by experience"

    Madison is saying under the articles there is a defect of commerce, ...because the states are involved in trade wars among themselves, bringing commerce to a stand still.

    the federal government was never given under the constitution power to regulate inside the states.
    Agree to disagree. I personally dont want to live in a country that encourages businesses to racially discriminate. If you do, and those you are discriminating dont care, then have at it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    More leaning on law when your logic falls apart. Predictable.
    ?????? The law is part of my logic. So, yeah, it would be predictable that I mention it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Agree to disagree. I personally dont want to live in a country that encourages businesses to racially discriminate. If you do, and those you are discriminating dont care, then have at it.
    no one is encouraging discrimination.

    but the supreme law is the supreme law, and the rights of the people ...are the rights of the people..not governments

    what your wanting to happen is, when you see in your mind what you think is wrong, you want it fixed to your satisfaction, how you want it, and you dont get to make that decision, becuase its not in your hands, or governments..in this situation.

    becuase government are instituted to protect the rights of the people.

    no citizen of the u.s. can violate the u.s. constitution, becuase it is not written to limited the people. you as a citizen, by restricting someone speech or worship or them being secure in there person is a criminal act, covered by criminal law.

    being discriminated against is not a crime, (criminal law) against someone.....its a statutory law.

    and the constitution is clear no one can be made to serve another unless a crime has been committed.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Read the following:

    Joel Williamson- The Separation of the Races

    Edward L. Ayers- The Promise of the New South: Life after Reconstruction

    Leon F. Litwack- Trouble in Mind: Black Southerners in the Age of Jim Crow

    Howard N. Rabinowitz-From Exclusion to Segregation: Southern Race Relations, 1865-1890
    Do you have any direct quotes?

    What I am stating is that social and economic segregation post-war was a serious prelude to legal segregation of the two races.
    Legal segregation was already in place pre-war. I do believe there was social/economic segregation during the early colonial period I mentioned, but minorities had a lot more freedom before the colonies established many of the laws.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I ran an identical poll almost three years ago, since DP has added a significant number of users I thought I would try it again.

    In May 2010 Rand Paul announced his candidacy for U.S. Senate from Kentucky on MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show. On the show he got into some trouble because he said he wouldn't support the "public accommodations" portion of the Civil Right Act of 1964.

    That led up to this confrontation with Megyn Kelly on Fox where he said he favors repeal of that part of the law.

    Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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    I voted yes. It's their privately owned business they should be able to restrict access to it to whomever they want to. There may have been a reason to step on that right a little bit in the past (I don't know) but now I don't see it. Besides why would you want to do business with someone who holds an irrational grudge against you? Better to bring them out in the open, see who they're discriminating against and then have a better vantage point on who to avoid doing business with. If I knew someone was discriminating against others for some stupid reason then I would actively keep my distance and money away from them.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Businesses operate under laws.
    As does everyone else. Your point?
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