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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    economic decisions?......why are only some people get wealth, and some people getting help with a job....both have color at its heart....its clearly based on a moral standard....we hear it from congress all the time....."a wage based on fairness"..a living wage...its morality based
    You actually LISTEN to political rhetoric?!?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So?
    Your very existence is a lethal threat.


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    I was most likely standing around.
    I perceived you as a threat and my "extended rights" allowed me to take action!!!


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    Don't be daft. Part of being able to control the destiny of your property is being able to use it as a business. This clearly means you have a right to open a business.
    No it doesn't. Just because I CAN use my car as a taxi doesn't mean I can slap a taxi sign on top and start carrying passengers for a fee. There are certain qualifications I have to meet first.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I can't believe that Mo hasn't answered what life, liberty and property is. For god sakes, you can't simply hide from the fact you're wrong and think you will get away with it.
    Were those previous posts directed at me? Why didn't you just day so instead of being so obtuse?

    But, hey, if it's me you want, then let's not go at this half-assed. Taking things out of context is the sign of a weak case, as the anti-science proponents have been forced to recognize many times. Let's put a little more meat on this bone of contention.

    ... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ...
    There is due process of law. No policeman is going to take you to jail for not serving black people. You'll be sued and most likely found guilty. I believe that IS "due process of law".


    And, of course, a business isn't a "person" as a great many companies have shown over the centuries.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ah..so now we are running to the general welfare clause. We surely jump around a bit, don't we?
    From where exactly do you think I jumped?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Your very existence is a lethal threat.
    What is your point?

    I perceived you as a threat and my "extended rights" allowed me to take action!!!
    That is not how this works and you know it.

    No it doesn't. Just because I CAN use my car as a taxi doesn't mean I can slap a taxi sign on top and start carrying passengers for a fee. There are certain qualifications I have to meet first.
    You guys seriously are dense. All laws that stop me from using my property as I see fit when not violating the rights of others is a violation of property rights. There is no reason to expect that my right to my car doesn't include the right to turn that car into a tax just like there is no reason to expect my land can't be used to build myself a business instead of a home or for that matter using my home as a business. Zoning laws that stop me from doing such are a violation of my property rights. Just like requiring me to go through the state to start my own taxi service is.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Were those previous posts directed at me? Why didn't you just day so instead of being so obtuse?

    But, hey, if it's me you want, then let's not go at this half-assed. Taking things out of context is the sign of a weak case, as the anti-science proponents have been forced to recognize many times. Let's put a little more meat on this bone of contention.

    There is due process of law. No policeman is going to take you to jail for not serving black people. You'll be sued and most likely found guilty. I believe that IS "due process of law".
    So what is Life, liberty, and property(estate). Where did you see those three things listed before?

    Why do think they don't want people deprived of those three things? Isn't that just so strange how those things pop up over and over again and yet property is never a right? What other amendment uses those three terms and who wrote that amendment? What did he believe again?

    And, of course, a business isn't a "person" as a great many companies have shown over the centuries.
    What did they say in Citizens United again?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    From where exactly do you think I jumped?
    To the general welfare clause of course. It's the next logical place to jump when all else fails.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Were those previous posts directed at me? Why didn't you just day so instead of being so obtuse?

    But, hey, if it's me you want, then let's not go at this half-assed. Taking things out of context is the sign of a weak case, as the anti-science proponents have been forced to recognize many times. Let's put a little more meat on this bone of contention.

    There is due process of law. No policeman is going to take you to jail for not serving black people. You'll be sued and most likely found guilty. I believe that IS "due process of law".


    And, of course, a business isn't a "person" as a great many companies have shown over the centuries.

    Curiously the government has shown a particularly interest in taxing those businesses and corporations as if they were a person.

    They've allowed them to be sued. They've allowed their assets to be seized. They've allowed them to be taxed, Theyve allowed them to be legislated against. And they have conspicuously and vociferously targeted those businesses. Evidently government believes those businesses should be nothing more than silent sheep for the slaughter.

    Unfortunately all that targeting of those business has led to the necessity to treat them as human beings, with their own right to defend themselves, to protect their assets, and to represent their perspective in the political arena, and that of the mom and pop investors that actually own those businesses.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What is your point?

    That is not how this works and you know it.
    You're the one that brought up "extended rights".



    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You guys seriously are dense. All laws that stop me from using my property as I see fit when not violating the rights of others is a violation of property rights. There is no reason to expect that my right to my car doesn't include the right to turn that car into a tax just like there is no reason to expect my land can't be used to build myself a business instead of a home or for that matter using my home as a business. Zoning laws that stop me from doing such are a violation of my property rights. Just like requiring me to go through the state to start my own taxi service is.
    Nonsense. It's talk like that that pushes other Libertarian beliefs into the cold.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what is Life, liberty, and property(estate). Where did you see those three things listed before?

    Why do think they don't want people deprived of those three things? Isn't that just so strange how those things pop up over and over again and yet property is never a right? What other amendment uses those three terms and who wrote that amendment? What did he believe again?
    It wasn't in the Declaration of Independence as your colleague seemed to believe it was. LOL!



    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What did they say in Citizens United again?
    When a company is thrown in jail or starts voting you might make a case. Otherwise, it's an extremely limited range of recognition.


    And did that case just happen to be decided by the same court you're whining about for ruling in favor of discrimination laws?
    Seems like it's only OK to cite the USSC if YOU agree with their decision.
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