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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You learn by reading and researching. History and courts are part if the entire picture. You guys end up wring so often because your vision is myopic and you look at something narrowly, thus missing a lot. That's part of what leads you exaggerate. You may be prone to hyperbole as well. Can't say. But your opposition to see the entire picture certainly hurts your understanding.
    That is basically just a personal insult while still not defending the courts logic. Do you feel better now? Good. Can you actually defend how they can they say it's fine to force people into commerce with others or do you desire to continue to not turn over your brain?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    anyone can be in servitude, if they are forced to do things against their will, and no crime has been committed.

    Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs.
    Of course, YOU would HAVE to include the last part as an exception. Otherwise, what most people see as "slave labor" would legally be exactly that. But your capitalist masters wouldn't like the legal implications, now would they?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Of course, YOU would HAVE to include the last part as an exception. Otherwise, what most people see as "slave labor" would legally be exactly that. But your capitalist masters wouldn't like the legal implications, now would they?
    You're kidding, right? Everyone has a right to their labor. It is perfectly in line with everything being said.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i asked who knows more.

    Madison knows more about our constitution.
    Madison knows nothing. He is a collection of isolated chemicals in a hole, mostly calcium by this point.


    And who knows more is irrelevant to any legal issues at hand. Even if he were still alive he would have no legal authority. It's about time you figured that out so you can quite wasting my time with irrelevant crap.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is basically just a personal insult while still not defending the courts logic. Do you feel better? Can you actually defend how they can they say it's fine to force people into commerce with others or do you desire to continue to not turn over your brain?
    I've defended it all the way along. The effect in the customer, and thus the community and the country is too great. History showed us the results. And the legal remedy improved things dramatically. It proved to e the right call.

    But, as for what you perceived as an insult, if you can't look at the big picture you will and have missed the point. Individual rights stop at someone else's nose, and you don't get anymore in someone's face than not serving them when they have legitimate need. Same with hiring.

    You need to see it all.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You learn by reading and researching. History and courts are part if the entire picture. You guys end up wring so often because your vision is myopic and you look at something narrowly, thus missing a lot. That's part of what leads you exaggerate. You may be prone to hyperbole as well. Can't say. But your opposition to see the entire picture certainly hurts your understanding.
    what do you think i do?

    read the federalist papers, Madison writings on government, and he speaks about the constitution and each part of it in the federalist papers. ..he covers commence, rights of the people, just about anything of the constitution is listed in the Federalist papers by Hamilton, Madison or jay

    want to know something about taxes in article 1 section 8 ...by Hamilton Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1

    want to know something about commerce in article 1 section 8 by Madison Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce)

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what do you think i do?

    read the federalist papers, Madison writings on government, and he speaks about the constitution and each part of it in the federalist papers. ..he covers commence, rights of the people, just about anything of the constitution is listed in the Federalist papers by Hamilton, Madison or jay

    want to know something about taxes in article 1 section 8 ...by Hamilton Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1

    want to know something about commerce in article 1 section 8 by Madison Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce)
    Like I said, you stopped. Move in through civil rights.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've defended it all the way along. The effect in the customer, and thus the community and the country is too great. History showed us the results. And the legal remedy improved things dramatically. It proved to e the right call.
    That still has nothing to do with rights. You can not act if there is no rights in question to warrant such action.

    But, as for what you perceived as an insult, if you can't look at the big picture you will and have missed the point. Individual rights stop at someone else's nose, and you don't get anymore in someone's face than not serving them when they have legitimate need. Same with hiring.
    They end where rights begin. You have not even begun to tell me what rights the other party has.

    You have not told me how they have a right to enter and use the property
    You have not told me how they have a right to get service from a non-consenting party.
    You have not told me how deciding not to do commerce with someone is a violation of their rights.

    You have done nothing but whine and direct me to a court case.

    Oh and rights have NOTHING to do with need.
    Last edited by Henrin; 06-24-13 at 03:00 AM.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the congress cannot create a right, all rights which are not listed in the bill of rights are derived out of the 9th amendment.

    this is were the USSC says the right to vote comes from.

    the founders state our rights are unalienable, and the right to property is unalienable.
    It doesn't matter what the Founder's stated. You keep making the same mistake over and over and over. Only the contract that everyone signed is legal and binding. Opinions are not not signed by all and are, therefore, not binding.


    Again, nothing about property is mentioned. How about using a USSC case? I know you hate that but it's the only out you have left.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Madison knows nothing. He is a collection of isolated chemicals in a hole, mostly calcium by this point.


    And who knows more is irrelevant to any legal issues at hand. Even if he were still alive he would have no legal authority. It's about time you figured that out so you can quite wasting my time with irrelevant crap.
    lets see now, Madison laid the framework for the constitution,

    took all the notes of the constitutional convention.

    talk more on the constitution when anyone at the convention.

    made more proposals then anyone, and were accepted by anyone else.

    wrote the bill or tights

    federalist papers

    i would say he is the highest authority on our constitution and bill of rights.

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