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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm in denial? What's the law right now?

    13th amendment....which is supreme law, over federal, state or local.

    "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    13th amendment....which is supreme law, over federal, state or local.

    "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
    Neither of those exist, so you need a law for a condition that does. Your argument is weak if you need to exaggerate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Neither of those exist, so you need a law for a condition that does. Your argument is weak if you need to exaggerate.
    involuntary servitude exist if people are forced by governments to serve other people thru coercion.

    involuntary servitude is person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion .

    involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    since you think government is the moral master, would you approve if they made unlawful

    homosexuality

    devil worship

    derogatory speech

    i think you would change your tune very quickly.
    Been there, did that. When I was born all those were illegal except Satanism - but only because any moron could point to the 1st Amendment and claim it's protection as a religion. Otherwise, yes, that was pretty much the state of the America prior to the 60's and it had been that way for over a century. The pendulum swings, which is where's we're at now - trying to undo the injustice that was allowed to happen for far too many years.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    involuntary servitude exist if people are forced by governments to serve other people thru coercion.

    involuntary servitude is person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion .

    involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere
    No. They don't have to be in business. They are not forced to be. They only have to follow the rules if they choose to be in business. You have it all twisted and Inaccurately framed. You're exaggerating has clouded your ability to see it correctly.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. They don't have to be in business. They are not forced to be. They only have to follow the rules if they choose to be in business. You have it all twisted and Inaccurately framed. You're exaggerating has clouded your ability to see it correctly.
    That point of yours has been defeated how many times now?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Been there, did that. When I was born all those were illegal except Satanism - but only because any moron could point to the 1st Amendment and claim it's protection as a religion. Otherwise, yes, that was pretty much the state of the America prior to the 60's and it had been that way for over a century.
    well i see you went backwards...

    government has no moral authority at all, to stop homosexuality, devil worship or derogatory speech, just becuase they dont like it.

    just becuase i do something you or government does not like, but i am not committing a crime doing it, does not give you or government authority to stop me, by government prohibiting my right to property they are violating constitutional law.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. They don't have to be in business. They are not forced to be. They only have to follow the rules if they choose to be in business. You have it all twisted and Inaccurately framed. You're exaggerating has clouded your ability to see it correctly.
    i have a right to commerce

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yet is the same breath they will say government has a moral authority for.

    redistribute wealth

    minimum wage
    Sorry to burst your bubble but these are not morality issues.


    And the other two, discrimination and affirmative action, have more to do with resolving social issues than morality.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That point of yours has been defeated how many times now?
    Not once yet. It stands as clear as it did when I first said it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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