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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am pointing their are different kinds of laws.

    Only criminal laws, can put someone into servitude.
    No one is in servitude, making that pointless.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one is in servitude, making that pointless.
    anyone can be in servitude, if they are forced to do things against their will, and no crime has been committed.

    Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs.

    While laboring to benefit another occurs also in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor.

    Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.

    The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitude
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    <snip stuff in related to the topic>
    The question at hand concerns property, which nothing you've cited addresses.

    Again, where is your evidence that "the right to property is the same as the right to free speech" is written in the Constitution?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    anyone can be in servitude, if they are forced to do things against their will, and no crime has been committed.

    Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs.

    While laboring to benefit another occurs also in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor.

    Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.

    The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

    Involuntary servitude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    again, no one is in involuntary servitude. You're whining about something that doesn't exist.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The question at hand concerns property, which nothing you've cited addresses.

    Again, where is your evidence that "the right to property is the same as the right to free speech" is written in the Constitution?
    is there are right to property?...yes or no?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well answer me this, if Madison says something about the bill of rights, and Ginsburg says something about the bill of rights on the same subject...........who is the best authority on them?
    The only thing that matters is who has legal authority and the answer to that is also spelled out in the Constitution. Would you like me to quote it for you or can your supposed expertise in the Constitution provide you with that answer on your own?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    again, no one is in involuntary servitude. You're whining about something that doesn't exist.
    if someone is force by government to do something against there will.......like serve people at business...that is involuntary servitude.

    Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs.

    The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The only thing that matters is who has legal authority and the answer to that is also spelled out in the Constitution. Would you like me to quote it for you or can your supposed expertise in the Constitution provide you with that answer on your own?
    the question is simple, Madison knows more about the constitution than Ginsburg.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is there are right to property?...yes or no?
    It doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what the contract says. You claimed there are property rights so present your evidence from the Constitution, which includes the Amendments.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what the contract says. You claimed there are property rights so present your evidence from the Constitution, which includes the Amendments.
    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.

    Samuel Adams:

    As a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights. Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    James Madison:

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own.

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