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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Absolutely not. Whether or not the businesses in question would have lost competitiveness or eventually went bankrupt is entirely speculatory and irrelevant. Putting into law the principle that no man should be treated as a second class citizen simply because of appearance was a necessary and long overdue measure.
    By that logic, it is also illegal for private companies to establish gun free zones.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by M_A View Post
    I don't agree that we should repeal part of the Civil Rights Acts of 64'... I understand that private business is private, and many believe a business owner should say, and do as he pleases. But, I don't think we should repeal this specific aspect of the Act because what if a big business like say Chick Fil-A said that they won't serve black people or gays tomorrow and forever... Well, they would then force their employees to kick out any black or gay people that came in for food even though that employee might hate what they are doing. I think it just creates a lot more problems. I don't see the point in going through and changing such a law. That's just my opinion. I understand the argument of a free-market system, but I think it would create so many more problems when employees are already struggling to find jobs to force them to conform to a view-point held by a CEO.
    At which time they will take their business elsewhere, creating a demand for more employees at those other resturants where the former chick filet employees could seek employment.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The difference being you can purchase an article of clothing whereas one cannot change ones race. I'm well aware that discrimination as a general concept exists in spades, but that in no way justifies excusing and tolerating it in all circumstances.
    It's OK to tolerate it only in certain circumstances?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are you planning on having sex in their establishments?

    Do you have a badge that announces that you prefer to have sex with other members of the same gender?

    How the heck would anyone know that you are gay unless you tell them?
    The business could operate on stereotypes, for one. Refuse people that acted/or talked like the stereotypical gay. Or perhaps a gay couple walks in holding hands or something, the business would know then. Or the business could cater specifically to couples (such as wedding cake businesses) and refuse to serve gay couples. Those are just a few examples. Are you trying to argue it is impossible for businesses to discriminate against gays?

    The nice part about free markets is that you could, in fact, create an organization that seeks discounts from businesses in return for your customer drawing power. You could use it to your advantage.
    Ok, sure. What is your point in relation to the post of mine you quoted, exactly?
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because that is the society we almost unanimously decided to live in, one which grants equal treatment to people without consideration of race, sex, or religion. Youre welcome to try and change the constitution to allow people to discriminate based on race, but you wont convince me that doing so in public should be ok.
    The Constitution says nothing about equal treatment on other peoples private property when it comes to getting service or gaining access. Try again.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The business could operate on stereotypes, for one. Refuse people that acted/or talked like the stereotypical gay. Or perhaps a gay couple walks in holding hands or something, the business would know then. Or the business could cater specifically to couples (such as wedding cake businesses) and refuse to serve gay couples. Those are just a few examples. Are you trying to argue it is impossible for businesses to discriminate against gays?
    Your examples involve behaviors and not mere desires. If a business does not want your business then go to one that does.

    Ok, sure. What is your point in relation to the post of mine you quoted, exactly?
    Nearly every opportunity is disguised as a problem.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Your examples involve behaviors and not mere desires. If a business does not want your business then go to one that does.
    That's what I was arguing. I suggest actually reading posts before replying to them

    Nearly every opportunity is disguised as a problem.
    That's a beautiful platitude but I don't see its connection to my post.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because that is the society we almost unanimously decided to live in, one which grants equal treatment to people without consideration of race, sex, or religion. Youre welcome to try and change the constitution to allow people to discriminate based on race, but you wont convince me that doing so in public should be ok.
    The Constitution prohibits government from treating people differently regarding their race, sex, or religion. It has nothing to do with property owners. The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, for example, deals with equal protection of the laws.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    That's what I was arguing. I suggest actually reading posts before replying to them
    LOL. I did read it. Hence my comment. You are not being discriminated because you are gay. You are being discriminated against for your behaviors. Still, if your money is not welcome for its own sake why shop there?

    That's a beautiful platitude but I don't see its connection to my post.
    Then I cannot help you.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The Constitution prohibits government from treating people differently regarding their race, sex, or religion. It has nothing to do with property owners. The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, for example, deals with equal protection of the laws.
    Finally, someone that can read the fourteenth amendment. Thank you.

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