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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So you can say anything you want anywhere you want. No restrictions at all on speech?
    there are restrictions when you invade other people rights....and these can fall into criminal law.

    meaning, you dont have a right to free speech at the DMV, where you would have a captive audience.

    again you need to think about what you saying....your again saying people have a right to be served, by another person, and that is not logical, becuase no citizen can force another citizen to do something, against his will by claiming a right.

    and government is given no authority under a constitution to control private property based on morality.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i stated ..........they explain the contract...the constitution.
    A contract needs no explanation. It is what is written and that's why it's written.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    No, the highest authority is the Bill of Rights as ratified by the States. You seem to keep forgetting the obvious and the only thing that really counts.
    this is non sense, again your failings to understand ...is sad.

    Madison wrote the bill of rights, and when he talks about them, no other person has more knowledge them.




    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    No cite, no dice.


    Besides that, aren't you the one always telling us the courts got it all wrong?!?
    again another failing of yours.

    you did not read property...my statement to you......if you want what the court says then........"the pursuit of happiness translates into property ownership"

    i supplied what the court says for your benefit, since you place them so highly.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A contract needs no explanation. It is what is written and that's why it's written.
    really?...then why is government regulating commerce inside the states, ...when the federalist papers say it is only among the states , becuase of the commerce wars under the articles of confederation.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is non sense, again your failings to understand ...is sad.

    Madison wrote the bill of rights, and when he talks about them, no other person has more knowledge them.

    states are entities, and dont have knowledge.
    I understand just fine. When the used car salesman tells me he will maintain my car for 6 months and give me a 2 yr. parts and labor warranty on the drive train you bet your ass that I'll make sure all that is in the contract I sign before I hand over any money. It's the contract that counts.

    Apparently it's you who are failing to understand. The States don't call the shots, either, all they did is ratify a written contract. It's the written contract that's the controlling factor here, not the States nor the people that wrote the contract.




    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again another failing of yours.

    you did not read property...my statement to you......if you want what the court says then........"the pursuit of happiness translates into property ownership"

    i supplied what the court says for your benefit, since you place them so highly.
    I'm willing to take excerpts from the Constitution, which includes it's Amendments. Start quoting.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again another failing of yours.

    you did not read property...my statement to you......if you want what the court says then........"the pursuit of happiness translates into property ownership"

    i supplied what the court says for your benefit, since you place them so highly.
    Another failing of yours - you still didn't cite the court case.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really?...then why is government regulating commerce inside the states, ...when the federalist papers say it is only among the states , becuase of the commerce wars under the articles of confederation.
    I don't care what the Federalist papers say since they are not part of the binding contract.


    If you'd like to show where the various States ratified the Federalist Papers then bring on the evidence.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I understand just fine. When the used car salesman tells me he will maintain my car for 6 months and give me a 2 yr. parts and labor warranty on the drive train you bet your ass that I'll make sure all that is in the contract I sign before I hand over any money. It's the contract that counts.

    Apparently it's you who are failing to understand. The States don't call the shots, either, all they did is ratify a written contract. It's the written contract that's the controlling factor here, not the States nor the people that wrote the contract.
    here, since you want this:

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    its is the state themselves which created the compact, under the constitution which setup the federal government, it delegated to the federal government 18 enumerated duties only, all other powers belong to the states, per the 10th amendment.


    “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined . . . to be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce.” – James Madison, Federalist 45

    “This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended.” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 83

    and as far as commerce goes, here is what Madison says about it in the first line of federalist 42, where he states becuase under the articles of confederation there is a defect of power, becuase of the regulation of commerce between the members,(meaning the states), not inside the states.

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce)


    Document 9

    James Madison, Federalist, no. 42, 283--85
    22 Jan. 1788

    The defect of power in the existing confederacy, to regulate the commerce between its several members, is in the number of those which have been clearly pointed out by experience.

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/found...ommerces9.html
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't care what the Federalist papers say since they are not part of the binding contract.


    If you'd like to show where the various States ratified the Federalist Papers then bring on the evidence.
    well answer me this, if Madison says something about the bill of rights, and Ginsburg says something about the bill of rights on the same subject...........who is the best authority on them?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no.... the states didn't.

    it has only been since 1941 that government has taken over commerce.

    the constitution states that the federal government has the power to regulate commerce among the states not inside them.

    among ....means among a body or group.

    a·mong (-mng) also a·mongst (-mngst)
    prep.
    1. In the midst of; surrounded by: a pine tree among cedars.
    2. In the group, number, or class of: She is among the wealthy.
    3. In the company of; in association with: traveling among a group of tourists.
    4. By many or the entire number of; with many: a custom popular among the Greeks.
    5. By the joint action of: Among us, we will finish the job.
    6. With portions to each of: Distribute this among you.
    7. Each with the other: Don't fight among yourselves. See Usage Note at between.

    commerce under the articles of confederation was almost at a stand still becuase states where putting up barriers against each other and warring among themselves over commerce, this is why commerce among the states was given to the new federal government.

    under the constitution the federal government was never meant to control commerce inside the state...that is a state power.

    no where in the constitution are there any powers which give government authority over the people lifes..........expect for pirates counterfeiters and traitors.
    States have the same anti-discrimination and regulation of commerce laws. And the 14th amendment extends constitutional protections of liberty to state laws. Theres also Art 4, Sec 2

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."
    Again, its almost unanimous that people in this country should be treated equally regardless of race, sex or religion. We have constitutional text to back that up. We have federal laws to back that up. We have court cases to back that up. We have state and local laws to back that up. We have individuals to back that up. IMO, once you receive a critical mass such as this, the issue is settled, much like it is with freedom of speech, abortion rights, the right to bear arms. Some things are absolutely clear, and freedom from racial discrimination is one of them.

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