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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So the fact that the store really isn't open to everyone doesn't make it a lie?
    Where does the owner have a contract with the rest of the public that shows he doesn't want them in his business unless he plainly shows it on the door?

    Joe is well aware of the fact that he's not welcome as a customer. How do I, a stranger, also know I'm not wanted especially when there's a sign that says OPEN?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Tell you what. You post any sign you want and I'll make sure you're sued out of business for all the people's time you've wasted. By the time you get through paying my salary for a couple of days of court and my lawyers fees for a couple of days - plus all my black or gay friends time and lawyers fees - you won't have anything left but empty pockets.
    Suing people for time wasted?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm sorry you believe that. I thought it was rather plain.
    No, it wasn't plain, unless I missed something. You seem to feel that you (or others) have the legitimate authority over another person's store and sign. Yet you don't explain why one person would have such authority over another person.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Where does the owner have a contract with the rest of the public that shows he doesn't want them in his business unless he plainly shows it on the door?
    A contract to not do business with someone?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    (8) "Enter unlawfully or remain unlawfully", a person "enters unlawfully or remains unlawfully" in or upon premises when he is not licensed or privileged to do so. A person who, regardless of his purpose, enters or remains in or upon premises which are at the time open to the public does so with license and privilege unless he defies a lawful order not to enter or remain, personally communicated to him by the owner of such premises or by other authorized person. A license or privilege to enter or remain in a building which is only partly open to the public is not a license or privilege to enter or remain in that part of the building which is not open to the public.


    570.160. 1. A person commits the crime of false advertising if, in connection with the promotion of the sale of, or to increase the consumption of, property or services, he recklessly makes or causes to be made a false or misleading statement in any advertisement addressed to the public or to a substantial number of persons.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A contract to not do business with someone?
    Yes, that was situation HE presented, not me. If you want to laugh, laugh at the person who posed the question.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Suing people for time wasted?
    Pretty sure lawyers do that all the time under the guise of "working". Do they charge a fee when they're waiting for their case to be called? Yep! I'm being charged for their wasted time. Maybe next time I shouldn't pay them for that time and see what they do about it. You think they'll just let it slide?!?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No, it wasn't plain, unless I missed something. You seem to feel that you (or others) have the legitimate authority over another person's store and sign. Yet you don't explain why one person would have such authority over another person.
    Your "open" sign is plainly misleading to the public - it's false advertisement. You're not "open", you're "open to whites".


    570.160. 1. A person commits the crime of false advertising if, in connection with the promotion of the sale of, or to increase the consumption of, property or services, he recklessly makes or causes to be made a false or misleading statement in any advertisement addressed to the public or to a substantial number of persons.



    That's like saying "Color TVs for sale: $50" and when I show up you have a blue colored, black&white TVs for sale. Do you think it's OK for a business owner to do that and I have no recourse even though I drove 40 miles because of your ad?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Your "open" sign is plainly misleading to the public - it's false advertisement. You're not "open", you're "open to whites".


    570.160. 1. A person commits the crime of false advertising if, in connection with the promotion of the sale of, or to increase the consumption of, property or services, he recklessly makes or causes to be made a false or misleading statement in any advertisement addressed to the public or to a substantial number of persons.



    That's like saying "Color TVs for sale: $50" and when I show up you have a blue colored, black&white TVs for sale. Do you think it's OK for a business owner to do that and I have no recourse even though I drove 40 miles because of your ad?
    The store is not closed. It's open.

    I also note that you are assiduously avoiding my question.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do we know? We can read it, that's true. But if it was so clear that anyone reading it saw the same thing as every other person, there would never be debate. We both know that's not the case.

    Again, follow the context if the the civil rights movement and you will see how the 14th amendment played a role.
    and if you read history, you will see the 14th amendment to our constitution was originally written for governments not to discriminate against the slave population only.

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