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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trip View Post
    Actually the only "consistency" in how the government has worked from the beginning, actually began 78 years into the country's history, only after the Civil War, and involves the repeated expansion of illegitimate federal authority into entire areas deliberate prohibited by the Constitution, resulting in Court illegitimately whitewashing what the other hand of government was doing.

    The claim of any federal authority over to enact laws in the states, much less authority over civil rights, is one of this gross corruptions which is a subversion of the Constitution to its very core.

    And again, the sound you hear of citizens arming up is them preparing to indicate these conditions are no longer acceptable.
    You'll be very disappointed. Your vision isn't real.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Well, how do you deal with the fact that I am treated as a second class citizen by my government every single day? I am white. I am male. I am married. I pay lots of taxes. My government despises me and treats me as a cash cow.
    So you pay lots of taxes like me. Is it because we're white and married? I thought my government likes me because I pay them so much. Would I pay less taxes if I was black, gay and unmarried and made as much money as I do now? I'd think I'd pay more. But, please instruct me.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    First, we need to have these laws in place because of historical experience in our republic. I do not trust mankind enough to pretend we are that much more civilized, and icertainly would not trust fanciful rhetoric when our rights are on the line. De Jure segregation did not start segregation, it later accompanied de facto segregation.
    Do you have evidence for this claim? I am not saying that there wasn't any discrimination but it was minimal compared to how the later-established laws treated minorities.

    For example, in the American colonies (early 1600s I believe) many African Americans were treated almost as equals for many years before laws were put in place to discriminate against them.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No one has a right to enter peoples property against their wishes
    No one has a right to force others to do them a service.
    That changes when you open for business to the PUBLIC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No libertarian in this thread spoke in favor of Jim Crow laws.
    Allowing discrimination would bring back Jim Crow with bells on... And you either know that or you are pathetically naive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who said anything about the repeal of the CRA? We are talking about two titles in the law, not the entire law.
    As I said before the two titles in question are the very heart and legs of the legislation.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    That changes when you open for business to the PUBLIC.
    When did that happen?


    Allowing discrimination would bring back Jim Crow with bells on... And you either know that or you are pathetically naive.
    How is allowing for businesses to control the access and use of their property along with allowing them to interact with who they desire lead to allowing the government to discriminate?

    As I said before the two titles in question are the very heart and legs of the legislation.
    How is that even possible? The government would still be barred from discriminating against anyone.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No.

    Definition of AGGRESSION

    1: a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master

    2: the practice of making attacks or encroachments; especially : unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another

    3: hostile, injurious, or destructive behavior or outlook especially when caused by frustration

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    Hmm. So someone comes to you and issues you the edict that you must interact with a particular person. You refuse. So he comes back and says that because you disobeyed him he requires that you give him some of your money. Again you refuse. This time he comes back armed, seizes you, and puts you in a cage.

    You don't consider this forceful action intended to master you to be aggression?

    You don't consider this attack upon you to be aggression?

    But I see that you don't wish to use the term "aggression". I suppose we can work around that restriction. I'll simply say that libertarians hold that every person, apart from being the sole owner of his physical body, has the right to employ his private property in any way he sees fit so long as in so doing he does not uninvitedly change the physical integrity of another person's body or property. All interpersonal exchanges and all exchanges of property titles between private owners are to be voluntary. One person forcing another to interact with others would violate this principle, which is why libertarians oppose this.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    That changes when you open for business to the PUBLIC.
    How about if one doesn't open to the public but only to individuals?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the question is.... do public accommodation laws, which are passed by governments composed of people who feel they have moral authority, override the right to property as our founders state we have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm still a bit lost on why private business can't act in the same fashion as any other property privately owned. Why does it matter what the discrimination was towards when talking about rights?
    If you want to discriminate then open a private business instead of a public one - problem solved and no laws violated, not even your skewed interpretations of them.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What of senior citizen/veteran discounts, kids eat free, ladies nights and other "special" pricing schemes based on "status"? The use of a few gov't mandated "special" classes of folks that must be given "equal" access ignores the freedom of the property/business owner to do as they please.
    Any private business can do as they please - but don't post a sign that says "OPEN" or "OPEN TO THE PUBLIC" if it's only open to certain people. To do so is obviously lying, aka, false advertisement.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you want to discriminate then open a private business instead of a public one - problem solved and no laws violated, not even your skewed interpretations of them.
    All businesses that aren't owned by the government are private businesses.

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