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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As noted above, it extends beyond those two.
    No, it doesn't. Business is not a member listed and the clause in question only deals with trade disputes. There is no trade dispute between the listed members if a business doesn't do business with certain people. The court was wrong.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You keep saying, "That's not aggression". Okay, so please define aggression.
    That doesn't answer me. We have your definition, using it, it doesn't describe what is taking place. So what good would another definition do that you still would see?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it doesn't. Business is not a member listed and the clause in question only deals with trade disputes. There is no trade dispute between the listed members if a business doesn't do business with certain people. The court was wrong.
    Land yet, we see the courts ruled differently? Can't you see this?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That doesn't answer me. We have your definition, using it, it doesn't describe what is taking place. So what good would another definition do that you still would see?
    How is the law in question not aggression?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Land yet, we see the courts ruled differently? Can't you see this?
    Why do you assume I can't see that the courted differently? Their basing their ruling on prior rulings that are wrong. They just exacerbated their wrongness.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That doesn't answer me. We have your definition, using it, it doesn't describe what is taking place. So what good would another definition do that you still would see?
    In order to determine whether an act constitutes an initiation of aggression, we first need to agree upon a definition of aggression. Do you agree with the following definition from the Wiki article on the non-aggression principle?

    Aggression, for the purposes of NAP, is defined as the initiation or threatening of violence against a person or legitimately-owned property of another. Specifically, any unsolicited actions of others that physically affect an individualís property or person, no matter if the result of those actions is damaging, beneficial, or neutral to the owner, are considered violent or aggressive when they are against the owner's free will and interfere with his right to self-determination and the principle of self-ownership.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In order to determine whether an act constitutes an initiation of aggression, we first need to agree upon a definition of aggression. Do you agree with the following definition from the Wiki article on the non-aggression principle?
    Link that definition.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Link that definition.
    Non-aggression principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Agree? Or do you have an alternate definition you'd like to suggest?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Non-aggression principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Agree? Or do you have an alternate definition you'd like to suggest?
    No.

    Definition of AGGRESSION

    1: a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master

    2: the practice of making attacks or encroachments; especially : unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another

    3: hostile, injurious, or destructive behavior or outlook especially when caused by frustration

    Aggression - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    From your link:


    NAP faces two kinds of criticism: the first holds that the principle is immoral, the second argues that it is impossible to apply consistently in practice; respectively, consequentialist or deontological criticisms, and inconsistency criticisms.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't know about shoulda, woulda, coulda. But the challenges didn't stand. The government has been overall reasonably consistent in how it has worked from the beginning. So we have a measure of certainty on how things work, just as we have a reasonable idea of how and when to navigate the traffic laws.

    Actually the only "consistency" in how the government has worked from the beginning, actually began 78 years into the country's history, only after the Civil War, and involves the repeated expansion of illegitimate federal authority into entire areas deliberate prohibited by the Constitution, resulting in Court illegitimately whitewashing what the other hand of government was doing.

    The claim of any federal authority over to enact laws in the states, much less authority over civil rights, is one of this gross corruptions which is a subversion of the Constitution to its very core.

    And again, the sound you hear of citizens arming up is them preparing to indicate these conditions are no longer acceptable.

    "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary."

    ~ James Madison

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