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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Your point was that comparing an inability to purchase something to racial/gender discrimination is idiotic?
    No. My point was that it is idiotic to prohibit discrimination on the part of private businesses, however wrong it may be, on the basis of "second-class citizenship."

    As I've already explained, they are allowed.
    The question was should they be. So should they?

    As I've already explained, a private club is not a public accommodation. It -by definition - is not, and never has been open to the general public. Can't say the same about the other thing.
    What is it about clubs that makes them not public accommodations aside from an arbitrarily created definition in a law?
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    For those who agree with Paul and Stossel, if YOU could get away with it legally, which groups would YOU discriminate against, and why?

    Be honest.

    (My spidey-sense tells me no one will have the backbone to answer this.)
    Smokers. I wouldn't want the smell of cigarettes in my store. Of course if they weren't smoking they could come in. Other than that I can't really think of anything. What was the point of your question?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Smokers. I wouldn't want the smell of cigarettes in my store. Of course if they weren't smoking they could come in. Other than that I can't really think of anything. What was the point of your question?
    Oh that's an easy one - he doesn't know about libertarianism. He thinks like every conservative and liberal - your ideals must be everyone's ideals, whether you want them or not.

    You're not entitled to your freedom. You're entitled to theirs.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually they are. Visit Holly Springs Mississippi. I know you find some there.
    The area is nearly 80% African American. Surely you don't believe that losing 80% of your consumer base has no effect on revenues? I'm not saying that it won't happen in some places, but I have a very hard time buying that it wouldn't affect business.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. My point was that it is idiotic to prohibit discrimination on the part of private businesses, however wrong it may be, on the basis of "second-class citizenship."
    I don't know why you have that in quotes. It's not really the basis for CRA. The basis of the CRA is congress' authority under the 14th amendment, which specifically involves a few specific protected classes, almost all of which are immutable characteristics of the people affected. This is why such things are treated differently than, say, discrimination due to dress or what have you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The question was should they be. So should they?
    Sure. Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    What is it about clubs that makes them not public accommodations aside from an arbitrarily created definition in a law?
    As I've already explained: because they're not now, and never have been open to the general public. They are private and exclusionary by definition.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Yes. I do agree with repealing that part of the law, because I just don't see it as being necessary anymore. Today, any company that refused to serve blacks or gays or what ever have you, would have an absolute nightmare of PR on their hands. It simply isn't necessary for the government to persecute business that decide to discriminate, the public will do it for them.
    I don't think it would be a nightmare at all, I think you would see a brash of successful white's only places.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think that we should also support mandatory vaccinations, the abolition of smoking/drinking, and cameras everywhere for the sake of "public safety".

    You know what's best for us, Big Brother. We are at your mercy.
    You lost me at mandatory vaccinations. They most definitely should be mandatory.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't think it would be a nightmare at all, I think you would see a brash of successful white's only places.
    Like I said. I don't buy that for two seconds.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Why would people want to go into a business where they know the owner does not care for them? That is like having dinner with people you don't like. I wouldn't do that.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You lost me at mandatory vaccinations. They most definitely should be mandatory.
    why?

    if you agree with them, get them. so long as you did, a person that didn't get vaccinations can't harm you.

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