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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    show be where there is a moral /social duty of congress concerning the people life's

    "we dont like".........who is we?........the people are given no power over their follow man, to direct his life.
    Just as I thought. Now you are debating whether racial discrimination is wrong? Is that why Rand is saying it too?
    The govt. has the power via the rule of law anything else is pure anarchy.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    constitutional law is supreme law, there is none higher.

    how can laws, which are on a lower level ,not as high as supreme law, override constitutional law.

    the constitution is CLEAR, no person or entity including the federal government can force a citizen to do things against his will unless a crime has been committed.
    There you go again. Now you are saying that racial discrimination is not a crime when it clearly is.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Just as I thought. Now you are debating whether racial discrimination is wrong? Is that why Rand is saying it too?
    The govt. has the power via the rule of law anything else is pure anarchy.
    of coarse, thats what we have been debating, becuase some people believe they have a rights, which extend into other peoples rights, and they believe they can use the force of government to get what they want.

    so according to what you believe.....government is given authority, to say what is law,even though it is not in the constitution. and what is not law, even if it is in the constitution?

    so even though the constitution states what it states, government can violate the very law, they are suppose to uphold, and secure the rights of the people.

    discrimination is not a criminal act, therefore it does not fall under the power of government to use force on the people........discrimination is a moral behavior problem of people,..... but not a duty of government
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There you go again. Now you are saying that racial discrimination is not a crime when it clearly is.
    no its not....

    under criminal law you go to jail.

    discrimination laws, are statutory laws, and you can pay fines, or put out of business.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its appears you have not!

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    the 14th amendment is aimed at governments only.......it does no address the people or businesses.

    the constitution does not limit people or business...that would be against the founding principles of our government.
    It is the bases fir civil rights, which is where these laws come from. And you may recall the Articles of Confederation were too weak, so a stronger federal government was created.

    I also spoke of precedence being part if he entire picture. This question was decided long before civil rights. Government has been doing since the beginning.

    You guys have been wrong about this before. Remember health care?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Modern liberals are not classical liberals.
    Whether they are or not has nothing to do with it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what a deflection on your part...........i am displeased!

    what happened to your defense?
    Nothing happened to my argument. It's still there. Nothing has challenged it yet. Making ridiculous hyperbolic statements don't rebut an argument. It only makes one shake his head.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    He's not serious. I'm not longer wasting my time.
    You're the ones over exaggerating. But I'll accept your surrender.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is the bases fir civil rights, which is where these laws come from. And you may recall the Articles of Confederation were too weak, so a stronger federal government was created.

    I also spoke of precedence being part if he entire picture. This question was decided long before civil rights. Government has been doing since the beginning.

    You guys have been wrong about this before. Remember health care?
    wrong, there are no civil rights, becuase the government cannot create rights per the 14th amendment, they are civil privileges.

    yes the articles of confederation were weak becuase the government could not enforce certain laws, like commerce, states enforced the rights of the people, becuase the constitution did not apply to the states at all.

    there are rights and the are privileges, as listed in the constitution.

    you dont have rights to be served by other people, ...becuase such a right would place a burden on a fellow citizen, and that is unconstitutional.

    healthcare is placed under the........ taxing clause

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong, there are no civil rights, becuase the government cannot create rights per the 14th amendment, they are civil privileges.

    yes the articles of confederation were weak becuase the government could not enforce certain laws, like commerce, states enforced the rights of the people, becuase the constitution did not apply to the states at all.

    there are rights and the are privileges, as listed in the constitution.

    you dont have rights to be served by other people, ...becuase such a rights would place a burden on a fellow citizen, and that is unconstitutional.

    healthcare is placed under the........ taxing clause
    Read up on the civil rights movement and the 14 th amendment. The was you dislike we're born there, and on the back at least in part on that amendment.

    Again, this is the law of the land, he supreme law. The courts have ruled and separate but unequal didn't hold up.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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