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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So if I was to lets say run a small business and deal with consumers directly I would not be associating with these individuals?

    In any event, you are still forcing people to accept others on their property and do business with them. My point stands.

    Poor fellows. Making money off epode they don't like. How cruel.

    Again, it becomes part of the public and not like your home. You don't have to a with them or associate with them on a personal level. Again, much ado about nothing.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The business does not violate the rights of minorities or anyone else when they refuse to do business with them or by not allowing them on their property. It really makes no difference if the people in question need a service done as no one is their servant and must deliver them this service.
    the problem you up against is that some people think when a business is open to the public, ...that the public has a right to be served...of coarse you and i know this is not true.

    they dont under rights and privileges.

    that when you enter a business the owner of that business is extending you a privilege of doing business with him.

    when someone is in business they are serving their own personal interest.....when a building is a public building (tax payer paid) it is serving the interest of all of the people , and cannot discriminate.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Poor fellows. Making money off epode they don't like. How cruel.
    Yes, poor fellows that you support forcing into servitude.

    Again, it becomes part of the public and not like your home. You don't have to a with them or associate with them on a personal level. Again, much ado about nothing.
    Private property is private. Who I decide to business with is my decision. Who I decide to associate with is my business. Who I allow on my property is my decision. At what point in this does the public have a say in how I behave with what is mine? I didn't violate the rights of anyone else, so I don't see where the government gets off in declaring my actions unlawful. I am merely practicing my right to liberty and my right estate in way that I see fit. When a racist says they don't desire to do business with someone for racist reasons that is their right regardless of how stupid and hateful it might be.

    The only thing that is open to the public is government buildings. Nothing else is open to the public, sorry.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Some would argue the ostracization of minorities is in fact harmful.
    True, but I believe the only ones who would be ostracized are the bigoted business owners, at least in the 21st century. While I may not think its pragmatic to remove the provision at this time, I wouldn't be surprised if we no longer 'needed' such a law in the future. Personally, I believe society (including minorities) would get along great if the law was removed now.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, poor fellows that you support forcing into servitude.



    Private property is private. Who I decide to business with is my decision. Who I decide to associate with is my business. Who I allow on my property is my decision. At what point in this does the public have a say in how I behave with what is mine? I didn't violate the rights of anyone else, so I don't see where the government gets off in declaring my actions unlawful. I am merely practicing my right to liberty and my right estate in way that I see fit. When a racist says they don't desire to do business with someone for racist reasons that is their right regardless of how stupid and hateful it might be.

    The only thing that is open to the public is government buildings. Nothing else is open to the public, sorry.
    There's that silly hyperbole agin. Servitude? Glenn Beck would be so proud.

    That's complete nonsense. No one says anyone has to provide a service or sell a product. There is a legal transaction. The poor fellows get to make money. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously as long as the exaggerates are this extreme.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's that silly hyperbole agin. Servitude? Glenn Beck would be so proud.

    That's complete nonsense. No one says anyone has to provide a service or sell a product. There is a legal transaction. The poor fellows get to make money. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously as long as the exaggerates are this extreme.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    in what aspect?

    does discrimination violate your rights..........no

    becuase no citizen, can violate the..................... constitution of the u.s.

    a citizen can only commit a crime against another citizen.
    The attitudes that allowed minorities to be excluded from places of businesses extended to education, housing, employment and so on. The negative effects were and remain rather obvious.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The attitudes that allowed minorities to be excluded from places of businesses extended to education, housing, employment and so on. The negative effects were and remain rather obvious.
    Shouldn't we bury the past and start fresh?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The attitudes that allowed minorities to be excluded from places of businesses extended to education, housing, employment and so on. Fairly obvious.
    Private institutions can discriminate........however public institutions (you and i pay for) cannot, becuase they are meant to serve all of the people.

    fairly obvious?.........so your saying because someone would be excluded (discriminated against) .......... rights of citizens under the constitution , can be violated in the name of "THE MOB".

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Section 1.
    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    Again, no one is in involuntary servitude. It's extremely hyperbolic and dishonest to pretend they are.

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