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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Why is it an "either/or" proposition? That type of pestering in not called for.

    I hate racists. I have no sympathy for them what so ever. The fact remains that minorities cry racism, too many times, when it isn't there. Abusing the tools crafted into law. If these tools stopped being abused, I wouldn't be so concerned about it.
    I really can't see how a law requiring a business to treat all customers equally regardless of the color of their skin can be abused. It should be common sense. If it is your backhanded way at criticizing affirmative action then you are misguided. Those are separate issues.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And that seems to be your problem, that the issues no longer apply because we have laws that prevent it from ever occurring again. When racism is gone the laws will not matter
    I give up. You simply fail to consider my points, as if invalid. One question before I probably start ignoring you.

    Do you agree that the laws designed for minorities get abused or not?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I really can't see how a law requiring a business to treat all customers equally regardless of the color of their skin can be abused. It should be common sense. If it is your backhanded way at criticizing affirmative action then you are misguided. Those are separate issues.
    I was speaking in the broader sense of the many "special rights" laws we have on the books. I was saying the time of blatant racism is over, and that we no longer need such laws. The problems cause by abusing the laws are far worse than having no laws on the subject in my view.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yes. Militant gays. They were bullying. Thousands of citizens ate at Chick-fil-A as a response to the obvious bullying.
    There is nothing 'militant' about a boycott. Many in the gay community said don't eat at Chick-Fil-A. They were within their rights to do so.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    We appear to have two major and distinct areas of disagreement. The first is about aggression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not aggression. Exaggerating doesn't help your cause.
    I have offered my definition of aggression. You have not done so. Please provide your definition of aggression.

    The second area of disagreement is over how one person (or group) acquires legitimate authority over other people.

    And yes, having a majority is better most forms. No where in the world do people love without rules. There are reasons for this.
    What about a group with more members gives the people in that group authority over others?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    They do in the USA.

    With enough votes you can pass any law.

    Whether the Libertarians like it or not.

    That will not change any time soon.

    Its how the USA works.
    Of course they CAN initiate aggression. A 240 man CAN initiate aggression against a 90 pound grandmother. But that is not the question. The question is why do you consider the initiation of aggression to be ethical?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I was speaking in general, of such proposed laws, that discrimination is actionable "if" someone perceives it so.

    That is my point. Equality should not be special! You cannot create "equality" by giving minorities tools to use against the majority! Tools get abused!



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    Usually it is then replaced by a similar thingy.

    We can talk about freedom of association, etc until the cows come home, but the 1964 Civil Rights Act is here to stay.

    Anyone who doesn't like it will stay unhappy for a long time.

    Not my problem.

    I like it.

    And if that upsets anyone, that's tough.




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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Meaningless?

    You simply cannot legislate what is and is not fair. The text of law gets abused, and no matter how noble attempts may be, they will always cause more problems than they fix in today's American society.
    Who tells you these things. Yes, you can legislate, as we have, non discrimination laws. And they have been relatively effective. And they have not cased more problems than they solved. The world overall is better today with them than they were without them.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Correct ... Everyone has the right to be a douche ... but they do not have the the right to PRACTICE their douche-baggery when it interferes with the Civil Rights of others Americans
    What rights would those be exactly? The right to force people to accept your presence on your their property? The right to force people to give you service? Tell me, how does it make any sense at all to make aggression a right? The government forced people to accept others on their property and forced them to give them service and we are really going to call this a right? Ridiculous.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    We appear to have two major and distinct areas of disagreement. The first is about aggression.



    I have offered my definition of aggression. You have not done so. Please provide your definition of aggression.

    The second area of disagreement is over how one person (or group) acquires legitimate authority over other people.



    What about a group with more members gives the people in that group authority over others?
    And this doesn't fit even your definition. There is no aggression. You're Exaggerating. Overstating. Being hyperbolic.

    And yes, we have laws, that are supported by a majority. Always have and always will. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

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