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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What is clearly wrong is racism and a civilized society cannot accept it. You can't rape or murder either. Is that also a problem for you?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I am talking about the scenario a previous poster proposed (not allowing blacks and gays in).
    You chose your example poorly. Militant gays objected to the owner supporting marriage. They raised a stink and the citizens responded with an outpouring of support.

    This was not about a failure to serve gays. Unless you were having sex on the premises how would anyone know?

    We hate bullies. Even when they are a privileged minority class.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I skipped the last 15 pages.
    That's okay. I skipped about 30 of them.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Why do want to support racists having a place to go? Is that what you think they deserve? Anyway a "private" business is far from private if it is open to the public.
    Why is it an "either/or" proposition? That type of pestering in not called for.

    I hate racists. I have no sympathy for them what so ever. The fact remains that minorities cry racism, too many times, when it isn't there. Abusing the tools crafted into law. If these tools stopped being abused, I wouldn't be so concerned about it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    I don't agree. Race is a specially protected attribute in this country because of our history of violating the constitutional rights of non whites. Businesses aren't private, they are regulated under the commerce clause and state laws, which must treat everyone equally. I agree the problem would solve itself eventually, but I also agree that that's not quick enough, and I support the unanimous decision of the states to protect certain people.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You chose your example poorly.
    It wasn't my example.

    Militant gays objected to the owner supporting marriage.
    Militant gays?

    They raised a stink and the citizens responded with an outpouring of support.
    Right. That's what boycotts are all about. They are part of the free market. Now, any attempt of government to shut down Chick-Fil-A I do oppose.

    This was not about a failure to serve gays. Unless you were having sex on the premises how would anyone know?
    Let me rephrase: I was discussing a HYPOTHETICAL scenario.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Why are you stuck in the past? That period of history, is, well... history!



    No.

    There was so much resentment following the freeing of slaves. Generations of both colors passed on their hatred. We now have shed our hatred caused by the past. those issues no longer apply.
    And that seems to be your problem, that the issues no longer apply because we have laws that prevent it from ever occurring again. When racism is gone the laws will not matter

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And that seems to be your problem, that the issues no longer apply because we have laws that prevent it from ever occurring again. When racism is gone the laws will not matter
    Racism will never be gone. However, I see it as a non-issue. I see it as more of a "thoughtcrime" issue. Apparently we're punishing viewpoints now.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We know equality doesn't just happen. Where we can treat people unequally, we do. And it is not special rights to protect equality. Whatever else you may or may not be referring to is meaningless as it isn't the topic.
    Meaningless?

    You simply cannot legislate what is and is not fair. The text of law gets abused, and no matter how noble attempts may be, they will always cause more problems than they fix in today's American society.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    It wasn't my example.

    Militant gays?

    Right. That's what boycotts are all about. They are part of the free market. Now, any attempt of government to shut down Chick-Fil-A I do oppose.

    Let me rephrase: I was discussing a HYPOTHETICAL scenario.
    I read your comment to someone else and then followed that thread backward. I see that you were responding to another.

    Yes. Militant gays. They were bullying. Thousands of citizens ate at Chick-fil-A as a response to the obvious bullying.

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