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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Why are libertarians so sympathetic to the racist swine who practiced segregation and discrimination for decades before the Civil Rights Act?
    It's not that at all. I agree people have the right to be idiots. Racists are idiots. It is not your place or mine to force change upon them.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Correct ... Everyone has the right to be a douche ... but they do not have the the right to PRACTICE their douche-baggery when it interferes with the Civil Rights of others Americans
    There are plenty of places today that will accept people of all color. Why do you want people to use the force of law to go in where they aren't wanted? Today, racist places will not be common, or prosper.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    It's not that at all. I agree people have the right to be idiots. Racists are idiots. It is not your place or mine to force change upon them.
    I don't buy it at all. If you wish to allow people to practice racial discrimination, you sympathize with these scum to at least some degree.
    A right to believe and a right to practice are two entirely different things.
    Analogy: We can not control the private fantasies of a pedophile ... he has the right to harbor his lust for children within his own head. The moment he treads on the rights of a child to be left unmolested he has broken the law and social and moral decency.
    The same could be said of the racist who owns a business. He has the right to believe anything he wants to about race relations but he does not have the right to racially discriminate against his black patrons who have the right not to be discriminated against.
    If you believe he does then you are a de facto racist yourself.
    It is absolutely the place for you and I, and all of society to keep the racist from practicing racism just as it is OUR responsibility to stop the pedophile from practicing pedophilia.
    In my honest opinion libertarian-ism is a thinly veiled disguise for racists to wear when confronted with the potential to repeal anti racist law, and i have no stomach for it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The same could be said of the racist who owns a business. He has the right to believe anything he wants to about race relations but he does not have the right to racially discriminate against his black patrons who have the right not to be discriminated against.

    If you believe he does then you are a de facto racist yourself.
    De facto? Nope. In fact, I am not. I'm only that in your ignorant namecalling.


    Counterexample - I defend your right to say stupid and bigoted things, it certainly doesn't mean I agree with them.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    There are plenty of places today that will accept people of all color. Why do you want people to use the force of law to go in where they aren't wanted? Today, racist places will not be common, or prosper.
    Bullsquat! Racist businesses did and would still prosper. The "good ole' boy" network as was seen in the Jim Crow days of the south always made sure that the racists were protected and made up for the lack of black patronage.
    In my honest opinion libertarianism is a thinly veiled disguise for racists to wear when presented with the prospect of repealing the laws that prevent the practice of racial discrimination. Like it or not when you condone the return to the legal practice of public racism, it make you look like a racist.
    There is no "liberty" in the free practice of racial discrimination.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    De facto? Nope. In fact, I am not. I'm only that in your ignorant namecalling.


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    You are either a part of the problem or you are part of the solution to racism. Call it what you will, you are taking the position of an enabler.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    How about if I was hiring for the job that you do and I advertised a very high pay for that job .
    When you came down to interview for the position a sign on the door said " LIBERTARIANS NEED NOT APPLY"...
    You'd be okay with that and just go on your way ??

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    The true libertarian position would be to be against the laws that pervaded throughout the south that negated the civil rights of people of color.
    All the Civil Rights Act did was to strike down all those stupid local laws that enforced segregation and discrimination based on race religion or gender.
    A true libertarian would welcome an umbrella law that prevented all these truly stupid liberty fettering laws that kept people from being free. There were suddenly many fewer laws when the CRA was enacted.
    No, anyone who claims to be against the Civil Rights Act because of a "libertarian" ideology doesn't convince me at all. It makes no sense.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 06-22-13 at 08:09 AM.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You are either a part of the problem or you are part of the solution to racism. Call it what you will, you are taking the position of an enabler.
    Yeah, I guess I am an enabler of free speech as well.
    And freedom of religion.
    And virtually every other freedom we have. I'm such an enabler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The true libertarian position would be to be against the laws that pervaded throughout the south that negated the civil rights of people of color.
    What a coincidence, we are all against Jim Crow laws, just like everyone else.

    Why am I against Jim Crow laws? Because they dictate who a business owner can't provide custom to

    Why am I against one aspect of CRA 1964? Because it dictates who a business owner must give custom to.

    Both are equally bad.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They win the election, have the overwhelming support, make a better argument.

    Again, you're exaggerating. That's not what's said. What's said is, don't discriminate or you'll be fined. Say within the reality of it.
    The fact that a large number of people want to do something has no bearing on whether that act is ethical. The libertarian position is that it is wrong to initiate aggression. It doesn't matter whether a lot of people wish to do so or a single individual wishes to do so. In either case the initiation of aggression is wrong. A group of people has not special authority that does not belong to any individual.

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