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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, that doesn't matter. As our founding fathers adjusted, we have to adjust as we move forward. This isn't 1776. So, we have to address issues they didn't. Bottom up movements lead to these changes. And they had to be structured, often awkwardly, not to violate the Constitution. Occasionally there's an overreach. The courts then send it back. But it's too simplistic to say the EPA isn't in the Constitution.

    where do you get these ideas, the founders are clear, only enumerated powers does the government have, if government can act at will then they are not limited, and can do anything they want, the founders did not create such a system of government, how do you justify violating article 1 section 8 clause 17.

    do you see air, water land in the 18 powers of congress..no...all of those expect for what is in d.c. belongs to a states, or unless the state and the federal government have agree for ......federal buildings.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    where do you get these ideas, the founders are clear, only enumerated powers does the government have, if government can act at will then they are not limited, and can do anything they want, the founders did not create such a system of government, how does you justify violating article 1 section 8 clause 17.

    do you see air, water land in the 18 powers of congress..no...all of those expect for what is in d.c. belongs to a states, or unless the state and the federal government have agree for ......federal buildings.
    This is why I compare you to a fundamentalist. Everything's always clear to you. Your mind can't even comprehend the fact that it isn't that clear, as one thing (amendment) builds off another. I've rarely met a fundamentalist who conceive the Bible ad anything but literal. You seem much that way. To closed to hear or see.

    However, the evidence remains against you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    time to say good night BOO, take care.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is why I compare you to a fundamentalist. Everything's always clear to you. Your mind can't even comprehend the fact that it isn't that clear, as one thing (amendment) builds off another. I've rarely met a fundamentalist who conceive the Bible ad anything but literal. You seem much that way. To closed to hear or see.

    However, the evidence remains against you.
    no BOO, the founders were very clear on the constitution, and government role in people life's....its NO INVOLVEMENT at all.

    and government has no authority outside of d.c. unless the state approves, A. 1 S. 8 clause 17

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no BOO, the founders were very clear on the constitution, and government role in people life's....its NO INVOLVEMENT at all.

    and government has no authority outside of d.c. unless the state approves, A. 1 S. 8 clause 17
    Only to the closed minded novice. There would be no court cases if it were that clear.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying the government CONTROLS THE PEOPLE....they the master and we the servant!...........thats brilliant!
    And who puts the various decision makers in power??? The People. If we don't like what they're doing we can always throw them out and get someone else in there that will do what we want - whatever that may be.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    EPA not in the constitution, and the federal government is no jurisdiction over state or private land per the constitution.
    What state in their right mind would allow a neighboring state to send pollution downstream, whether it's in water or air? They wouldn't. The result is that no pollution is possible, which is also impossible if we want to keep any industry in America at all. Obviously, the onus will fall on the federal government to resolve the issue of pollution.

    You should use logic a little more instead of being obstinate.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you understand this.......people/ business do not make laws........government makes laws.

    why does government need to regulate commerce on people and business when they dont make laws.
    People and businesses effect not only interstate commerce but foreign commerce, as well, by what they produce. This should be obvious to anyone who has thought more than half a minute in the most simple terms of commodities, if nothing else, but it also applies to most goods and some services.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution handed over commerce between estates to the federal government, the Constitution states, among the states , not in the states.

    the constitution does not give powers to government over the people.
    The states can't make laws about interstate commerce, plain and simple. The states can't make laws about international commerce, plain and simple. Only Uncle Sam can do either of those things. Quit being dense.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    John Stossel endorses senseless discrimination.

    I'm shocked.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only to the closed minded novice. There would be no court cases if it were that clear.

    that is becuase the people in power will always embellish themselves with more power.

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