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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It clearly does. The ruling states clear that it doesn't violate the constitution and spells out exactly why.
    the ruling?....what ruling.........i dont see a ruling in the constitution.


    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated [spelled out in the constitution] to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the ruling?....what ruling.........i dont see a ruling in the constitution.


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    The powers not delegated [spelled out in the constitution] to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    That just shows how novice you are.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That just shows how novice you are.
    you just cant come up with anything can you.

    you cant get around the constitution so you create things....well that does not work, with supreme law.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you just cant come up with anything can you.

    you cant get around the constitution so you create things....well that does not work, with supreme law.


    You're funny. Tiresome in your ignorance. But funny all the same. Until you address the points made by he links, I can only make fun of you. You have to participate to advance the argument.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post


    You're funny. Tiresome in your ignorance. But funny all the same. Until you address the points made by he links, I can only make fun of you. You have to participate to advance the argument.
    the points you made.....i asked you to address the constitution, and show me where government is given authority, ...yet you have not done it....you know you cant, and still you persist in fantasy.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the points you made.....i asked you to address the constitution, and show me where government is given authority, ...yet you have not done it....you know you cant, and still you persist in fantasy.
    The best way to do that is in the context of the things you take issue with. In that context, I posted legal arguments, court decisions and history. This is a full explanation and not the mindless repetition you do. Read them. Contemplate what they say. Dig below the superficial.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The best way to do that is in the context of the things you take issue with. In that context, I posted legal arguments, court decisions and history. This is a full explanation and not the mindless repetition you do. Read them. Contemplate what they say. Dig below the superficial.
    sorry .......you cant get around the wording of the constitution.

    you would love to but its not possible, the founders were very clear government is limited to enumerated powers only.....not rulings made to create powers.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry .......you cant get around the wording of the constitution.

    you would love to but its not possible, the founders were very clear government is limited to enumerated powers only.....not rulings made to create powers.
    You must first understand the wording. One if the links went into that as well. Your merely a novice who doesn't know what he doesn't know. That's no sin. But not being willing to learn more, that's sad.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You must first understand the wording. One if the links went into that as well. Your merely a novice who doesn't know what he doesn't know. That's no sin. But not being willing to learn more, that's sad.
    the constitution is not hard, only for those that try to make it hard, everything is the constitution is explained by the founders, jay, Hamilton ,and Madison, only those things which are self evident are not explained, ....example: i dont need an explanation, that i have to be 35 yrs old to be senator.

    Madison states commerce is a problem between the states under the articles, and to solve this problem the power of commerce between the states [ meaning state governments] is given handed over the the new federal government, so there will no longer be trade wars and barriers, which the states engaged in...not the people.

    commerce inside of a state is left to the state to decide.

    no way in the world can a man growing wheat in his field, so he can feed it to his cattle mean the federal government should regulate all commerce in america in the Wickard v. Filburn case.

    Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), was a United States Supreme Court decision that recognized the power of the federal government to regulate economic activity.

    A farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat for on-farm consumption in Ohio. The U.S. government had established limits on wheat production based on acreage owned by a farmer, in order to drive up wheat prices during the Great Depression, and Filburn was growing more than the limits permitted. Filburn was ordered to destroy[citation needed] his crops and pay a fine, even though he was producing the excess wheat for his own use and had no intention of selling it.

    The Supreme Court interpreted the United States Constitution's Commerce Clause under Article 1 Section 8, which permits the United States Congress "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Court decided that Filburn's wheat growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for chicken feed on the open market, and because wheat was traded nationally, Filburn's production of more wheat than he was allotted was affecting interstate commerce. Thus, Filburn's production could be regulated by the federal government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution is not hard, only for those that try to make it hard, everything is the constitution is explained by the founders, jay, Hamilton ,and Madison, only those things which are self evident are not explained, ....example: i dont need an explanation, that i have to be 35 yrs old to be senator.

    Madison states commerce is a problem between the states under the articles, and to solve this problem the power of commerce between the states [ meaning state governments] is given handed over the the new federal government, so there will no longer be trade wars and barriers, which the states engaged in...not the people.

    commerce inside of a state is left to the state to decide.

    no way in the world can a man growing wheat in his field, so he can feed it to his cattle mean the federal government should regulate all commerce in america in the Wickard v. Filburn case.

    Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), was a United States Supreme Court decision that recognized the power of the federal government to regulate economic activity.

    A farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat for on-farm consumption in Ohio. The U.S. government had established limits on wheat production based on acreage owned by a farmer, in order to drive up wheat prices during the Great Depression, and Filburn was growing more than the limits permitted. Filburn was ordered to destroy[citation needed] his crops and pay a fine, even though he was producing the excess wheat for his own use and had no intention of selling it.

    The Supreme Court interpreted the United States Constitution's Commerce Clause under Article 1 Section 8, which permits the United States Congress "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Court decided that Filburn's wheat growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for chicken feed on the open market, and because wheat was traded nationally, Filburn's production of more wheat than he was allotted was affecting interstate commerce. Thus, Filburn's production could be regulated by the federal government.
    If it was as clear as you believe, there would never have been any debate. The fact that there has and continues is evidence that you're likely wrong. It hubris fir a novice to think he knows all. The first step toward wisdom is to start with the fact you don't know.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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