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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    By the consent of the governed.

    Again, my response was limited to where new laws start.
    government cannot make laws outside of its powers, that is why the constitution states this:

    "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof"

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    government cannot make laws outside of its powers, that is why the constitution states this:

    "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof"
    And ours doesn't. You just don't know enough to know this.

    But like I said, my response was limited to where new laws start.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And ours doesn't. You just don't know enough to know this.

    But like I said, my response was limited to where new laws start.
    really they dont, where is education, housing, foreign aid, EPA, parks, i can go on.

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;


    do you see government land in there?......no

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really they dont, where is education, housing, foreign aid, EPA, parks, i can go on.

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;


    do you see government land in there?......no
    Yep, all attached to the Constitution. All Constitutional.

    I notice you still haven't addressed the actual comment I made. Typical.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it… For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars… But what would have been thought of that assembly, if, attaching themselves to these general expressions, and disregarding the specifications which ascertain and limit their import, they had exercised an unlimited power of providing for the common defense and general welfare? --james madison

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yep, all attached to the Constitution. All Constitutional.

    I notice you still haven't addressed the actual comment I made. Typical.
    oh really, where is that land in the Constitution, where is the authority of the federal government on state or private land...........its not there.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh really, where is that land in the Constitution, where is the authority of the federal government on state or private land...........its not there.
    We've been through this. I don't feel the need to do it again, as you still have read the information I gave you. That's why I limited my comment.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We've been through this. I don't feel the need to do it again, as you still have read the information I gave you. That's why I limited my comment.

    is the federal government limited or unlimited?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yep, all attached to the Constitution. All Constitutional.

    I notice you still haven't addressed the actual comment I made. Typical.
    all you want to tell me is government can go outside the the constitution , if some judge says it OK, and that is not correct.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is the federal government limited or unlimited?
    Limited. It isn't either / or, btw, so this tactic won't by pass history.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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