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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So you think the rights in the constitution aren't "natural rights"? It's good to see some of you guys finally coming to your senses.


    And he can operate as a bigot all he wants as long as he doesn't license as an OTTP business because that would be misrepresentation and deception.

    more missing reading from you.....did you see the words business corporations , after natural....no you just passe over it without looking.

    wrong its not a misrepresentation, statutory law, does not overrule a person, or business rights......discrimination does not apply to people or business in the constitution....and you know what the constitution says, but you just pass over it too.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    more missing reading from you.....did you see the words business corporations , after natural....no you just passe over it without looking.
    "i have been very clear..........a person or business has rights.
    and government has no authority using statue laws, to take away those rights which are listed in the Constitution."
    And look at what you wrote below: "... business in the constitution"


    Yep! That certainly looks like you're saying businesses have constitutional rights. Pretty poor wording if that's not what you're saying - don't blame me for that.

    And if you are saying that businesses have rights in the constitution then you're either:

    1. saying the rights in the constitution aren't "natural rights" OR
    2. saying businesses have "natural rights" (as you guys put it).

    Take your pick and stick with it - you can't have both because they exclude each other.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong its not a misrepresentation, statutory law, does not overrule a person, or business rights......discrimination does not apply to people or business in the constitution....and you know what the constitution says, but you just pass over it too.
    If you're not OTTP then don't have an OTTP business because that sure as hell is misrepresentation and deception on your part. License as a private club or whatever instead of OTTP and no one will care that you're a bigot. Hint: You also can't advertise 10 cent burgers then sell them for $5. That's also dishonest and causes harm.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And look at what you wrote below: "... business in the constitution"


    Yep! That certainly looks like you're saying businesses have constitutional rights. Pretty poor wording if that's not what you're saying - don't blame me for that.

    And if you are saying that businesses have rights in the constitution then you're either:

    1. saying the rights in the constitution aren't "natural rights" OR
    2. saying businesses have "natural rights" (as you guys put it).

    Take your pick and stick with it - you can't have both because they exclude each other.


    If you're not OTTP then don't have an OTTP business because that sure as hell is misrepresentation and deception on your part. License as a private club or whatever instead of OTTP and no one will care that you're a bigot. Hint: You also can't advertise 10 cent burgers then sell them for $5. That's also dishonest and causes harm.
    are you lost??? i have over and over told you rights are becuase u.s. code has made than a person....for a bushiness like a corporation.

    lose your steering wheel becuase you all over the road.

    natural rights are indicative of a flesh and blood person.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you lost??? i have over and over told you rights are becuase u.s. code has made than a person....for a bushiness like a corporation.

    lose your steering wheel becuase you all over the road.

    natural rights are indicative of a flesh and blood person.
    I believe the topic of Civil Rights is also part of the US Code. Are you now conceding that discrimination is illegal for a business? What the US Code has given the US Code can take away!
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I believe the topic of Civil Rights is also part of the US Code. Are you now conceding that discrimination is illegal for a business? What the US Code has given the US Code can take away!
    i have already stated that 99% [ becuase they are so far over the number of 18] of what government does is constitutional, and when i say that...you dont like it.

    and the government uses u.s. code to do many things......which most are unconstitutional, becuase its outside their 18 powers...........business is outside their 18 powers.....so under the constitution, congress.....cannot make a corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies a person..i told you why they do it and i said that back in another post by saying .........."i am telling you what government does"

    under the constitution government has no authority, be it using code........ over people or business, becuase government is given no authority to pass laws on people or business ........constitutions are written to limit governments ONLY.

    the constitution states that the federal government only has authority over...............ONLY pirates, counterfeiters, and traitors.<---------it can only punish these people

    the constitution states that congress shall make no laws infringing on the rights of the people

    as we have discussed before by what authority in the constitution does it give congress powers to create u.s.code [statutory laws] establishing discrimination laws on people or business, to make such a law is placing a limit, ..where is a limit placed on people or business in the constitution.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    as we have discussed before by what authority in the constitution does it give congress powers to create u.s.code [statutory laws] establishing discrimination laws on people or business, to make such a law is placing a limit, ..where is a limit placed on people or business in the constitution.
    Where is business mentioned in the constitution at all?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Where is business mentioned in the constitution at all?
    its not mentioned at all.

    where in Congress powers is business mentioned.....nothing there either.

    the constitution was written to setup government and limit government power to certain things, and Madison put's it.......few and defined.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its not mentioned at all.

    where in Congress powers is business mentioned.....nothing there either.

    the constitution was written to setup government and limit government power to certain things, and Madison put's it.......few and defined.
    So a businesses have no "rights", from the constitution or otherwise. Instead, what they have are laws governing their formation and behavior with some caveats from the Fed when that behavior effects interstate commerce.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So a businesses have no "rights", from the constitution or otherwise. Instead, what they have are laws governing their formation and behavior with some caveats from the Fed when that behavior effects interstate commerce.
    business rights..no, but government has made it so....which i and you dont agree with...this gives them power to petition government which is a bad thing.

    however a person does have rights over his own property, to run as he will.

    the commerce clause was not written to give government authority over business or people.

    it was written to giver congress final authority of commerce laws the state government would create, the founders did not anymore trade wars and barriers between states.

    business and citizens dont make commerce laws, governments do...why would government need commerce authority over business or people then, since they cant make any laws.

    Wickard v. Filburn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    commerce over people and business came in 1942 Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), was a United States Supreme Court decision that recognized the power of the federal government to regulate economic activity.


    the government had put limits of the growing of wheat, and Fliburn went over the limit, but not to sell, but only to feed it to his cattle.

    the USSC said this effected commerce and place it into government hands...........which is a ridiculous decision.

    where does government get authority to limit growing things........ nowhere.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    business rights..no, but government has made it so....which i and you dont agree with...this gives them power to petition government which is a bad thing.
    If that's what you believe then my response is still, What the government gives the government can take away.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    however a person does have rights over his own property, to run as he will.
    He can't advertise $0.10 burgers when he's selling them for $10.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the commerce clause was not written to give government authority over business or people.
    If part of their business is interstate commerce then of course it does.



    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    business and citizens dont make commerce laws, governments do...why would government need commerce authority over business or people then, since they cant make any laws.
    Then you aren't very familiar with those "papers" you constantly quote. I suggest you read more instead of just the special excerpts your bias sites bold for you.
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