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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really?..........how about your look a the court case.... drama.
    Did you read the Civil Rights Act cases and accept them? Apparently not, since we're having this conversation.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I've already answered this, three posts ago. You continue in circles. Get a clue.
    I did not make a business a person, and you didn't, the constitution didn't...the government did!

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I did not make a business a person, and you didn't, the constitution didn't...the government did!
    And the government made the Civil Rights Act, too. You ignore it so why stop there?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Did you read the Civil Rights Act cases and accept them? Apparently not, since we're having this conversation.
    the constitution does not apply to people or business...I have stated THAT BEFORE

    how can a government get charged with a civil rights violation, and get not fine or jail time.

    but a business or citizen be subject the a civil rights violation[not possible under the constitution] and get fined or jail....not possible, its not equal treatment under the law.

    because governments violate constitutional law.

    business or people, commit a crime, not a violation of the constitution.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And the government made the Civil Rights Act, too. You ignore it so why stop there?
    government cannot create rights...they can only create a privilege, and it can be abolished at any time.

    rights are higher than a privilege.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    government cannot create rights...they can only create a privilege, and it can be abolished at any time.

    rights are higher than a privilege.
    Government can't create people, either.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution does not apply to people or business...I have stated THAT BEFORE
    how can a government get charged with a civil rights violation, and get not fine or jail time.
    but a business or citizen be subject the a civil rights violation[not possible under the constitution] and get fined or jail....not possible, its not equal treatment under the law.
    because governments violate constitutional law.
    business or people, commit a crime, not a violation of the constitution.
    I have seen nothing showing that businesses are protected under all parts of the constitution. In fact, you dodged the very obvious exclusion of business from constitutional protection that I pointed out, testifying against one's self.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Government can't create people, either.
    I didn't say they could, I said government has created people.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I have seen nothing showing that businesses are protected under all parts of the constitution. In fact, you dodged the very obvious exclusion of business from constitutional protection that I pointed out, testifying against one's self.
    Limited Rights as a "Person:" Because of these two main facets of the corporate form, several rights that we would consider to be individual rights have been given to corporations. For example, corporations can own property and other assets, can buy, sell, or lease property, and have very broad commercial rights so that the corporation can conduct business independent of an individual person and maintain continuity. Because corporations can own assets, they can pay off their debts, thus, it's also ties to limited liability.

    Corporations also have limited noncommercial rights like the right not to incriminate one's self which goes along with being able to be sued. Likewise, corporations have limited fourth amendment rights against searches and seizures and limited first amendment rights (although this is broadening), which are interwoven with the corporation's ability to own property and incur debt. This also continues to encourage corporate business decisions, although some doubt the latest reach of first amendment rights in Citizens United v. FEC, the latest Supreme Court case on this issue. .

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are correct drugs are not in the constitution, although the government has made it illegal, it still not a duty of the federal government.

    I am discussing what the constitution and what rights are, per the documents, I am not discussing what government has done, is doing because 99% of what the federal government does is unconstitutional.........per the constitution they have only 18 powers.
    For the most part, I agree. There are some places where I simply don't agree with the constitution, but I still support it over the vast majority of what our government does.

    your correct the nanny state is here and been around a long time...and I believe its going to end one day, because sooner or later you run out of others people money.

    the way to get rid of the nanny state is to end democracy and return to republican government.

    democracy is what allows the nanny state to be created and grow.

    ask this question ...why to liberals, cry democracy and beg for more of it........like the direct vote for president.

    democracy is the most vile form of government- james Madison
    Direct democracy is a horrible form of government, but a republic is only as good as our representatives. Democracy or not, the government will always be made up of self-serving blowhards. I think that our voting system is the biggest flaw. A change to a system that allows you to rank candidates, rather than just voting for one of them to win, would eliminate the "wasted vote". By reducing tactical voting, there is a good chance that it would break up our two party system and give independents a real chance. Here's one of the better known systems; Kemeny
    I ask you to read the founders, federalist 10, 39, 47 63 these are very important.

    also the works of john adams, were he speaks out against representive democracy as being a terrible form of government.
    Of course. I might not always agree with you or the founders, but I still respect you and them.

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