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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who told you the existence of private property has anything to do with the state?
    Well first of all "private" property wouldn't exist obviously without the existence of a state and "public" property. Otherwise it would just be "property".

    But I'm hoping that you understood I was talking about property rights and the state has everything to do with the creation/enforcement of property rights.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well first of all "private" property wouldn't exist obviously without the existence of a state and "public" property. Otherwise it would just be "property".
    Private property would exist just fine without the state. In fact, it is the only type of property without the state.

    But I'm hoping that you understood I was talking about property rights and the state has everything to do with the creation/enforcement of property rights.
    I'm well aware of what you're were talking about. The state has nothing to do with the creation of property rights.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    The law didn’t sculpt behavior.
    Nonsense.

    White Christians just aren’t the racists out for blood you insist we are.
    You keep throwing around this Christian nonsense.

    Where did I say anything about Christians?

    Where did I say anything about "white people" as far as that goes?

    I said Americans. I think a black American or a Hispanic American would be just as intollerant as a white Christian American if given the chance.

    You need to stop injecting your Christianity into every thread, it gets tedious and you certainly do it a whole HELL of a lot more often than I mention "how well I'm doing".

    And I mean that seriously.

    I may have mentioned "how well I'm doing" once or twice, tops. I doubt very much there's a single day in your posting history where you're not talking about what a huge white Christian you are.

    If it’s so small potatoes then why don’t you put the money you’re already bragging about where your mouth is and start selling stuff to these people?
    Because I don't think I have the aptitude for business ownership. It's not where my skills lie and my personality isn't suited for it.

    Objective proof for your fictitious scenario?

    WTF??
    You got your wires completly crossed here hotstuff.

    Go back, re-read my post, determine what I actually asked you for objective proof of, then come back here and answer me.

    I mean, come on dude, we can all beat the **** out of a strawman.

    I expect more from you white Christians.


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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    You expect society to protect your business, ensure your contracts are honored, provide basic amenities are available and a plethora of other inputs necessary to run a business but you balk over the state and society not allowing you to arbitrarily to decide who you won't and will serve?
    Yes, exactly. The state is there to protect my rights, not to violate my liberty so others get service from me.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Private property would exist just fine without the state. In fact, it is the only type of property without the state.



    I'm well aware of what you're were talking about. The state has nothing to do with the creation of property rights.
    There are no such thing as "rights" unless it's codified and enforced. There are not natural rights. The natural state of things is you hold what you can as long as nobody else wants it or you can physically hold it from someone that does want it. That's not a "right".

    But please...expand on your statement. I'm definitely open to different views.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, exactly. The state is there to protect my rights, not to violate my liberty so others get service from me.
    Well ultimately our state is in place to do whatever the people it represents asks it to do. The nation could literally repeal amendments tomorrow with provisions that relate to private property.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well ultimately our state is in place to do whatever the people it represents asks it to do. The nation could literally repeal amendments tomorrow with provisions that relate to private property.
    A state without principles is a state without control.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A state without principles is a state without control.
    Sure...and some think a principled state doesn't allow people to turn away others based on the color of their skin. In fact that's what our country beliefs according to Civil rights legislation. It deemed that principle more important than the freedom to arbitrarily decide who and who you won't provide services to.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Was there something about the libertarian hypocrite sissy Stossel that I got factually wrong?
    Cool ad hom, bro.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why does it matter what kind of discrimination it is?
    The legal system has viewed discrimination based on immutable characteristics through a different lens than ordinary.

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