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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In the Real World it's assumed by everyone.
    In your Fantasy Land I'm sure the non-bigots would be advertising themselves and being quite obvious about it.

    If they're not inviting the public into their business (OTTP) then I could care less what they do inside their doors.
    But, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Stossel was talking about diners etc. that had "WHITES ONLY" signs. You would be okay with a diner that had such a sign?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    But, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Stossel was talking about diners etc. that had "WHITES ONLY" signs. You would be okay with a diner that had such a sign?
    If we're back to talking about the real world here, I think those businesses should have to apply for a different business license, which they may not get at their current location.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If we're back to talking about the real world here, I think those businesses should have to apply for a different business license, which they may not get at their current location.
    I don't think they should have to apply for a special license. They are still doing the exact same things as any other similar business.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I don't think they should have to apply for a special license. They are still doing the exact same things as any other similar business.
    Obviously they're not the same so why be dishonest about it?

    If you can't tell the difference between an OTTP business and private business then there is no discussion.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Obviously they're not the same so why be dishonest about it?

    If you can't tell the difference between an OTTP business and private business then there is no discussion.
    No, they're pretty much the same. A diner that doesn't allow redheads operates in exactly the same way as a diner that does. Same delivery trucks, same kitchen, same tables, same garbage. Why would it need a different license?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No, they're pretty much the same. A diner that doesn't allow redheads operates in exactly the same way as a diner that does. Same delivery trucks, same kitchen, same tables, same garbage. Why would it need a different license?
    The clientele isn't the same - Duh! There are very obvious reasons why a city planning office would want sufficient OTTP restaurants and hotels in certain parts of town, like it's entertainment, business, and convention centers. Cam you really not see these glaring facts?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The clientele isn't the same - Duh! There are very obvious reasons why a city planning office would want sufficient OTTP restaurants and hotels in certain parts of town, like it's entertainment, business, and convention centers. Cam you really not see these glaring facts?
    Yeah, I'm not so keen on the idea of central planners picking winners and losers. Just another of the many reasons I tend not to support such things as licensing boards.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yeah, I'm not so keen on the idea of central planners picking winners and losers. Just another of the many reasons I tend not to support such things as licensing boards.
    They don't, you're being silly.

    What they do is make sure there's a good mix of the right businesses in proximity to support conventions of X size, entertainment events of X size, etc. That's not "picking winners", that's good planning for the competition between cities in bringing outside dollars into their economy.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by mosurveyor View Post
    they don't, you're being silly.

    What they do is make sure there's a good mix of the right businesses in proximity to support conventions of x size, entertainment events of x size, etc. That's not "picking winners", that's good planning for the competition between cities in bringing outside dollars into their economy for the benefit of all.

    lol.....

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    They don't, you're being silly.

    What they do is make sure there's a good mix of the right businesses in proximity to support conventions of X size, entertainment events of X size, etc. That's not "picking winners", that's good planning for the competition between cities in bringing outside dollars into their economy.
    And they grant permission to some and deny permission to others. To me that sounds a lot like picking winners and losers.

    But in general, I advocate the elimination of laws requiring that a person require government permission to engage in trade. That's the fundamental point over which we disagree.

    More broadly, I tend to oppose legislation that criminalizes acts that don't effect the physical integrity of another person's body or their property. I see no ethical justification for such laws, as they necessarily involve the initiation of violence, which I consider to be wrong.

    That's why I disagree with laws that punish a person for refusing to trade with someone. He has not violated the physical integrity of another person's body or property, so there is no ethical justification for initiating violence against him.

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