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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Oh, you've definitely cost me money if I stop to eat and you won't serve me when your business is clearly OTTP.
    How am I costing you money?? You came to my business on your own free will, so you cost yourself money.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How am I costing you money?? You came to my business on your own free will, so you cost yourself money.
    If you're showing OTTP then you've falsely advertised. I came expecting OTTP and didn't get that.


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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I assume you meant they COULD BE?
    You assume correctly.

    I'm not here for your anarchist fantasies.

    In the real world there are obvious safety hazards with increased traffic flow and probable maintenance issues as well. It would not be reasonable to limit each individual house in a subdivision to X number of cars per year (how would one keep track?) and certainly a daily limit would be ridiculous. It may not be an issue for a large family's (great) grandparents to have a twice a year get together where there are maybe 40 people (incl children/grandchildren/etc) but having that much extra traffic every single day would be cause for concern, let alone how much traffic an average business generates.
    Again, road owners may establish rules for the use of their roads, but they may not dictate that a person may not engage in trade on his own property. Otherwise, they would be initiating violence against someone who has damaged nobody's person or property, which is unjustifiable.

    It's easy to see why in your anarchist world - they loose other customers because of poor service.
    As with the road owners, sellers of electricity, gas, etc are certainly free to limit the supplies of these things they are willing to sell to any customer, but they have no right to tell another person whether or not they may engage in trade on their own property.

    Tell that to the survivors in Texas. Tell me, how much money does it take to replace a child, a mother, or a father? Should we execute all the owners? That might be enough deterrence to keep future business owners from creating or allowing a lethal threat like that.
    As I said, it would be reasonable for the law to forbid such dangerous activities, regardless of whether they are undertaken by someone engaged in trade or not.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    See the court cases ...
    You're evasion provides me the answer I seek.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Oh, you've definitely cost me money if I stop to eat and you won't serve me when your business is clearly OTTP.


    Otherwise, you can open a private club and serve whoever you want, or not as you see fit.
    Nope. The person has not damaged your body or your property in any way.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Present their argument if you want.
    Already have. You failed to respond appropriately.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Nope. The person has not damaged your body or your property in any way.
    If I drive 10 miles on the promise you made to serve me (OTTP) and you don't, then you have indeed harmed me just as much as if you'd stuck your hand in my pocket and taken my money. This is why false and misleading advertising is illegal.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Such a charter should be binding on all its signatories and nobody else.
    You can vote with your feet. Find a place more agreeable to you then. You do not live behind a Berlin Wall keeping you prisoner. Exercise that freedom and do what the founders of this land did in the first place.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If I drive 10 miles on the promise you made to serve me (OTTP) and you don't, then you have indeed harmed me just as much as if you'd stuck your hand in my pocket and taken my money. This is why false and misleading advertising is illegal.
    How are you harmed because you drive ten miles to a business that refuses to serve you? Wasted gas?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How are you harmed because you drive ten miles to a business that refuses to serve you? Wasted gas?
    It could just as easily have been a 250 mile trip for parts (500 round trip) but it doesn't matter. The point is it wouldn't have happened had you not been promising something you didn't deliver.
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